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Old 05-09-2013, 02:10 PM   #16
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Default Re: Should Shaq get a statue outside of Staples Center?

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Saying Kobe ran Shaq out of L.A. is the easy scenario that people like to latch on to, but it's pretty far from the actual truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq%E2%80%93Kobe_feud

While I hesitate to use wikipedia as a source, that article is impeccably sourced. Clearly it's not just a made up thing.

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Bryant, still disappointed at the support he received over the summer, told O'Neal, "You're supposed to be my friend." Shaw questioned why he would believe that when Bryant did not join the team for dinners on the road, failed to attend O'Neal's wedding though invited, and did not invite a single teammate to his own wedding.

It seems pretty clear that kobe forced phil and shaq out of la so that he would be the focus.

Just for the record, what is your opinion, and is there any backing for it?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:13 PM   #17
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Default Re: Should Shaq get a statue outside of Staples Center?

Should be on top of the Staples at 10x the size of a usual statue.
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:13 PM   #18
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Default Re: Should Shaq get a statue outside of Staples Center?

Being the best player on 3 straight title teams should warrant anyone a statue, shouldn't it?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:28 PM   #19
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Absolutely not. He's not a true Laker. Titles aren't everything
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:35 PM   #20
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Absolutely not. He's not a true Laker. Titles aren't everything
When people bring up the Lakers legacy, they think of 2 dynasties right away... Showtime and Shaq's 3 peat.

When people reminisce on Shaq's career they think of him as a Laker RIGHT AWAY. He gave you 7 seasons of dominance that overshadow his time in Orlando, how is he not a true Laker ?
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:35 PM   #21
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They gotta worry about the Kobe Statue first.

Kobes statue is gonna be attached to shaqs, hanging onto his back
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:41 PM   #22
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When people bring up the Lakers legacy, they think of 2 dynasties right away... Showtime and Shaq's 3 peat.

When people reminisce on Shaq's career they think of him as a Laker RIGHT AWAY. He gave you 7 seasons of dominance that overshadow his time in Orlando, how is he not a true Laker ?
Cause of his actions off the court, duuuh. The guys above explained it already

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Old 05-09-2013, 03:07 PM   #23
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It seems pretty clear that kobe forced phil and shaq out of la so that he would be the focus.

Kobe didn't "force" anyone out of LA, as I said, Bryant was ready to sign with the Clippers. Phil left on his own free will, he had a contract offer outstanding from the Lakers, but he had not acted on it. Phil, Kobe and Buss all denied this rumor and Jackson even said himself before it wasn't anything like that and that it was a decision he made upon talks with Buss. Shaq did not leave because of Kobe, the Lakers traded Shaq because he was 32 years old, going into his 13th season, his talent was declining, he was showing up to training camp out of shape and unmotivated, but still demanded max money and Buss refused.

Fact is simple. Shaq demanded to be traded from the Lakers, while Kobe opted out of his contract and was no longer a Laker. It was basically confirmed that Kobe was going to be a Clipper prior to Shaq being traded. Nobody forced Shaq out, since he had an offer on the table, it was 100% his choice. Had Shaq decided to stay a Laker and accepted the offer from Jerry Buss, he'd be a Laker still in 2005.

Too long didn't read; Kobe could not have "forced" Shaq out, since Shaq DEMANDED a trade. All Shaq had to do was accept the offer. No team would have been able to trade for him without his consent, so it was 100% in his power to stay. He chose to leave, therefore you can't blame Kobe Bryant for what HE demanded.

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Old 05-09-2013, 03:11 PM   #24
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Of ****ing course
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:12 PM   #25
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:14 PM   #26
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He ripped them because they sided with Kobe.

Kobe pushed Shaq out of LA, and Shaq expected the LA FO to have his back, but the only person who had Shaq's back was Phil Jackson....the LA front office sided with Kobe because Kobe was younger.

Obviously he was pissed, as he just brought the team/city a 3peat.
I don't blame Lakers FO, they benefited more with sticking with Kobe in the long run. Smart decision. But yes Shaq deserves a statue.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:31 PM   #27
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Of ****ing course
the statue should be the pose in your avatar. they should give kobe one first for the hell of it. like magic got o e before kaj
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:33 PM   #28
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Default Re: Should Shaq get a statue outside of Staples Center?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaq%E2%80%93Kobe_feud

While I hesitate to use wikipedia as a source, that article is impeccably sourced. Clearly it's not just a made up thing.

I particularly like this comment:

Bryant, still disappointed at the support he received over the summer, told O'Neal, "You're supposed to be my friend." Shaw questioned why he would believe that when Bryant did not join the team for dinners on the road, failed to attend O'Neal's wedding though invited, and did not invite a single teammate to his own wedding.

It seems pretty clear that kobe forced phil and shaq out of la so that he would be the focus.

Just for the record, what is your opinion, and is there any backing for it?

lol at giving wikipedia as a primary source.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:34 PM   #29
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Default Re: Should Shaq get a statue outside of Staples Center?

Yes, but Shaqs statue should also have him pushing a wheelbarrow with Kobe in it.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:40 PM   #30
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nope.......it would lessen the value of kobes................a true laker legend.....and shaq is not that.........shaq jumped around way too many teams
but he got them rings 3 times in a row.
How delusional are private league sports fans?
There are multi million dollars worth team owned privately playing in a multi billion dollar league owned privately.
I can understand thinking like that about your national or college team's players but this is like samsung and apple fans fighting each others.
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