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Old 05-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #16
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Default Re: Would Jordan be better with Pippen or DwAde?

They have equally insane supporting casts - Jordan had an insane defensive team - Lebron an insane offensive team...(and to some extent defensive as well seeing as none in the league can exploit their weaknesses).

Difference is Bulls had real competition.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:19 PM   #17
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With the proven alpha that could lead a team to a championship. DWade.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:23 PM   #18
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Jordan would need Pippen to guard the other teams best player while he focuses on sustaining his offensive prowess, carefree.
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Old 05-09-2013, 08:58 PM   #19
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Wade. MJ wouldn't have had as much pressure to carry the scoring load freeing him to do other things.
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Default Re: Would Jordan be better with Pippen or DwAde?

Wade is a better player as ALPHA compared to Pippen, but Scottie's talents fit in better with Michael due to his mentality and skill set.

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Jordan would need Pippen to guard the other teams best player while he focuses on sustaining his offensive prowess, carefree.
LOL ... what? MJ did more than his fair share of guarding the other team's best player, usually perimeter oriented.
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:17 PM   #21
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Wade is a better player as ALPHA compared to Pippen, but Scottie's talents fit in better with Michael due to his mentality and skill set\


Pippen won 55 games as the man , all star MVP, and shoulda been MVP that year.. also was a RIG JOB away from winning a ring without the GOAT..

Wade is alpha but hes nowhere near Pippen in terms of alpha , offense, defense, or hunger
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Old 05-09-2013, 09:45 PM   #23
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Which one was on steroids?
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:12 PM   #24
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Pippen won 55 games as the man , all star MVP, and shoulda been MVP that year.. also was a RIG JOB away from winning a ring without the GOAT..
55 wins? Big deal. Is that some major feat?

Rig Job? A bad foul call, and they lost the next game as well. And it was only the 2nd round of the playoffs. How is that a guaranteed ring if they don't make that foul call on Hubert Davis? They still have to win out in the ECF and in the Finals.

That '94 Bulls team caught everyone else by complete surprise. The league expected them to be nothing w/o MJ, so everyone had something to prove. They all had great motivation, and had three years of championship experience. Getting to the second round is what their ceiling should have been.

Still decent, but hardly championship material, let alone three peat, record setting win material the way they were with Jordan.

The very next season in 1995, Pippen was struggling to keep them at .500 ... so clearly that means Horace Grant was VERY important as well, correct?

Wade won a ring as alpha in 2006, with a Shaq playing significantly under his capabilities. So Wade gets the nod in terms of being franchise center piece, quite easily.

As a sidekick, with Jordan as alpha, Pippen fits the duo better even though Wade is better than Pippen.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:16 PM   #25
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Who would guard the other teams best player? Jordan?

I don't really see what's laughable about that.
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Pippen won 55 games as the man , all star MVP, and shoulda been MVP that year.. also was a RIG JOB away from winning a ring without the GOAT..

Wade is alpha but hes nowhere near Pippen in terms of alpha , offense, defense, or hunger

Wade won as the alpha. Arguably the greatest performance ever too.
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Wade and Jordan would have been ridiculously entertaining. A perfect 1-2 punch Especially with Jordan's post game and a prime DWade.
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Old 05-09-2013, 11:51 PM   #28
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55 wins? Big deal. Is that some major feat?

Rig Job? A bad foul call, and they lost the next game as well. And it was only the 2nd round of the playoffs. How is that a guaranteed ring if they don't make that foul call on Hubert Davis? They still have to win out in the ECF and in the Finals.

That '94 Bulls team caught everyone else by complete surprise. The league expected them to be nothing w/o MJ, so everyone had something to prove. They all had great motivation, and had three years of championship experience. Getting to the second round is what their ceiling should have been.

Still decent, but hardly championship material, let alone three peat, record setting win material the way they were with Jordan.

The very next season in 1995, Pippen was struggling to keep them at .500 ... so clearly that means Horace Grant was VERY important as well, correct?

Wade won a ring as alpha in 2006, with a Shaq playing significantly under his capabilities. So Wade gets the nod in terms of being franchise center piece, quite easily.

As a sidekick, with Jordan as alpha, Pippen fits the duo better even though Wade is better than Pippen.
Why is what Pippen did in 95 considered struggling but Wade in 09 a testament to his greatness? Both teams had basically the same record.

Wade fluked his way to one championship. He never came anywhere close to repeating 06. And lets not overlook the fact that the 06 Heat not one but TWO centers that would start over just about every other center in the league not named Ming.
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Why is what Pippen did in 95 considered struggling but Wade in 09 a testament to his greatness? Both teams had basically the same record.

Wade fluked his way to one championship. He never came anywhere close to repeating 06. And lets not overlook the fact that the 06 Heat not one but TWO centers that would start over just about every other center in the league not named Ming.

The year before and the year after their championship injuries kept them from going furthur. 3 in a row might have happened otherwise.
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The year before and the year after their championship injuries kept them from going furthur. 3 in a row might have happened otherwise.
I understand. However, it becomes maddening when peoples mindset is simplified to one player is better than another based on one season.

Especially when the one time the circumstances were similar, 09 for Wade and 95 for Pippen, they both faired the same.
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