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Old 05-10-2013, 05:34 PM   #61
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even private school teachers in US make less than their public school counterparts after controlling for neighborhoods.

Public school teachers at some wealthy counties pull in 100k+ plus easy.

That makes no sense. Why would rich people pay for private school if the teachers there aren't as qualified? Why would the more experienced teachers work for a place that pays them less?
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:45 PM   #62
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As someone else said...this is not a representative sample. For instance, my mother who retired in her 30th year of teaching, was pulling just over 60k...and that was with a Master's. This is going to be a much more accurate number for most of the nation.
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I'm not trying to get some representative sample. Read what this fool wrote:

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No public high school teacher makes $80K a year. You're flat out lying.

Yes, I'm the one lying.

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Old 05-10-2013, 06:03 PM   #64
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LOL, some of my HS gym teachers were getting paid over 100k. Talk about a waste of tax payer money...
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Old 05-10-2013, 06:06 PM   #65
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I blame feminism. Teaching used to be the lone female profession outside of a housewife so all the best females were teachers.

And shit teachers like this is why I took AP US History my junior year. That was an awesome class and was well behind the other students in terms of writing but I got better because of it. History/Geography classes were a joke. Freshman year the teacher actually cared but the kids in the class were dumb as hell. Getting 30s and 40s on tests over finding cities and states in Europe. Basic shit. I got a 96 and everyone is like, "omg nerd all you do is study." Takes an hour to memorize that garbage.

My soccer coach was also a world history teacher and he was terrible. All he would do is sit at his computer and once a week go up to the chalkboard and write shit up there and then you'd just copy it. That was it. There was no teaching involved whatsoever. We would sit in his classroom the majority of the time and play cards and make bets and shit.

Some students absolutely DGAF either so it doesn't really matter what the teacher does. I won't say that they're under or overpaid because they get summers off.

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Old 05-10-2013, 08:07 PM   #66
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I'm not trying to get some representative sample. Read what this fool wrote:



Yes, I'm the one lying.



that's the correct use...

You're or you are flat out lying.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:10 PM   #67
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that's the correct use...

You're or you are flat out lying.
I know it's the correct usage. Catch up, son.

EDIT: Let me fix my post to emphasize my point.

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Old 05-10-2013, 08:27 PM   #68
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american schools sound ****ed up
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:43 PM   #69
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I blame feminism. Teaching used to be the lone female profession outside of a housewife so all the best females were teachers.

And shit teachers like this is why I took AP US History my junior year. That was an awesome class and was well behind the other students in terms of writing but I got better because of it. History/Geography classes were a joke. Freshman year the teacher actually cared but the kids in the class were dumb as hell. Getting 30s and 40s on tests over finding cities and states in Europe. Basic shit. I got a 96 and everyone is like, "omg nerd all you do is study." Takes an hour to memorize that garbage.

My soccer coach was also a world history teacher and he was terrible. All he would do is sit at his computer and once a week go up to the chalkboard and write shit up there and then you'd just copy it. That was it. There was no teaching involved whatsoever. We would sit in his classroom the majority of the time and play cards and make bets and shit.

Some students absolutely DGAF either so it doesn't really matter what the teacher does. I won't say that they're under or overpaid because they get summers off.

Pretty much this lol. It's pretty much a joke. However, the only classes where I actually learned was in science classes everything else was pathetic.

Part of the problem is that once teachers get tenure they stop giving a **** and get all lazy. Why teach anything once your job is safe? I literally had teachers who didn't teach shit and the day before the test he'd give us the questions that'd be on the test.

In english classes most of the time we'd read a chapter and answer the questions on it. How does that relate to learning anything about the subject?

In Math we'd basically learn how to use a calculator.
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Old 05-10-2013, 08:51 PM   #70
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She started teaching in 1978 for $11,250 a year

So, you took a 35 year tenured teacher in the area with the highest cost of living in the country as your representative example. Really?

http://www.teacherportal.com/teacher-salaries-by-state/

You will notice there are only about 5 states where the average teacher salary (including ladies like the one in your article) makes over 60k. Your POV is way out of line with reality.

Your article only looks at salaries after 10 years of teaching, so 50-60K makes sense. When you get close to/beyond 20 years you should be in the 80-100K range, just like the woman from the article.
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Old 05-10-2013, 09:20 PM   #71
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Pretty much this lol. It's pretty much a joke. However, the only classes where I actually learned was in science classes everything else was pathetic.

Part of the problem is that once teachers get tenure they stop giving a **** and get all lazy. Why teach anything once your job is safe? I literally had teachers who didn't teach shit and the day before the test he'd give us the questions that'd be on the test.

In english classes most of the time we'd read a chapter and answer the questions on it. How does that relate to learning anything about the subject?

In Math we'd basically learn how to use a calculator.

Not to mention a lot of the books you do read are very boring and uninteresting. I'd like to read what I want to read please.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:30 AM   #72
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I would love to higher salaries, and merit based evaluation (opposed to seniority)

How would you go about that, though? Have an observer sit in every class? They need to overhaul the system, but I don't have the answers.

Some of the classes were just sad. I remember taking Spanish I my senior year and I felt like I was in a 1st grade level class.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:12 AM   #73
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Because teachers arent paid enough (or really considered an important job), many of the best potential teachers do not go into the field. Just looking at my HS class through facebook, all of the people who are now teachers were the middling and average kids in the school. None of them expressed a great aptitude or passion for the subject they now teach. Essentially, they went into education because there are jobs in the field. All of the top students from my class and the ones with a passion for a certain subject do something else now (professor, lawyers, doctors, architects, business). So, what do we expect when very few of our best and brightest go on to engage our youth in education.
I understand the position, but I honestly don't see this as a problem. I don't want our best and brightest chemists teaching high school kids, I want them doing actual chemistry...stuff, for example. Public school teachers aren't exactly teaching even 300 level courses or anything, they don't need to be masters of a field. Would it help? Clearly, but it's not anywhere near necessary or feasible really.

I think it's a helluva lot more important to have an actual interest in educating the unknowing on a general subject than it is to have mastered the subject in regards to k-12 education. I'm sure we all had profs that were insanely learned in a field, published multiple times, well respected, all that jazz, and couldn't teach for shit. It's like the young DeuceWallaces in the video was saying, it's about engaging kids and making them want to learn, that's the hard part, not some basic understanding of covalent bonds or whatever. You coulda been as average a HS student as you want, your education didn't end after 12th grade, but if you do that I'll be happy to send my nonexistent kids to your classroom.

Just the general structure of American education is a major problem as well, but that's a whole other thread and doesn't even have an actual answer since it's pretty community specific.
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wow he really articulated himself well. a future politician?
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I blame feminism. Teaching used to be the lone female profession outside of a housewife so all the best females were teachers.

And shit teachers like this is why I took AP US History my junior year. That was an awesome class and was well behind the other students in terms of writing but I got better because of it. History/Geography classes were a joke. Freshman year the teacher actually cared but the kids in the class were dumb as hell. Getting 30s and 40s on tests over finding cities and states in Europe. Basic shit. I got a 96 and everyone is like, "omg nerd all you do is study." Takes an hour to memorize that garbage.

My soccer coach was also a world history teacher and he was terrible. All he would do is sit at his computer and once a week go up to the chalkboard and write shit up there and then you'd just copy it. That was it. There was no teaching involved whatsoever. We would sit in his classroom the majority of the time and play cards and make bets and shit.

Some students absolutely DGAF either so it doesn't really matter what the teacher does. I won't say that they're under or overpaid because they get summers off.


AP US History was indeed awesome. Probably my fondest memory of a high school class.

The workload was insane. Study guides, outlines,, consistent quizzes, exams, but my God did we learn a sh!t load.

Dude challenged every belief in the book and had us do these little trials.

Debating FDR's Antics as unconstitutional or not
Debating how much of a nuisance we were to the Redcoats as opposed to a heroic feasible thread
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Whole lotta critical thinking, whole lotta detailed analysis, whole lot of cool stuff.

Thanks for bringing back the memoirs, Hawkster.
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