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Old 05-12-2013, 01:56 AM   #16
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Default Re: Michael Jordan was the only LEGIT 1996 FMVP candidate besides Kemp.

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Rodman singlehandedly won 2 games that series. George Karl even admitted it.

thats not enough to win FMVP btw.

Rodman still need to average more than 7.5 ppg especially he barely blocked a SINGLE shot the whole series.

There were only 2 FMVPs for the series.

Either Kemp or Jordan.

Jordan won it cuz Bulls won the series.
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:56 AM   #17
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Rodman singlehandedly won 2 games that series. George Karl even admitted it.
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:01 AM   #18
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thats not enough to win FMVP btw.

Rodman still need to average more than 7.5 ppg especially he barely blocked a SINGLE shot the whole series.

There were only 2 FMVPs for the series.

Either Kemp or Jordan.

Jordan won it cuz Bulls won the series.


His impact can't be measured entirely by stats. He got in Brickowski's and Kemp's heads all series. His biggest impact was on the offensive glass. In 3 of the 6 games, he pulled down 8, 11, and 11 offensive rebounds. And 2 of those games were close right down to the end.
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Old 05-12-2013, 02:04 AM   #19
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thats not enough to win FMVP btw.

Rodman still need to average more than 7.5 ppg especially he barely blocked a SINGLE shot the whole series.

There were only 2 FMVPs for the series.

Either Kemp or Jordan.

Jordan won it cuz Bulls won the series.
You only have to win 4 games bro. The opposing coach credited Rodman with two if thise wins SINGLEHANDEDLY. Not to mention he didnt play bad in the two losses.
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You only have to win 4 games bro. The opposing coach credited Rodman with two if thise wins SINGLEHANDEDLY. Not to mention he didnt play bad in the two losses.

He was pretty ordinary ON THE ROAD.

You win championships ON THE ROAD.

MJ had his BEST game of the series in Game 3 ON THE ROAD.

That ROAD WIN game, rodman had only 10 rebounds.


In so many words, Rodman needed back-2-back 18+ rebounding games to be a legit FMVP contender.

He may have won 2 games SINGLEHANDEDLY

BUT

ON THE 3 ROAD GAMES, his rebounding stats were 12 rpg. good but not great for ONE TRICK PONY with 0.2 bpg.

Bulls did not had 2nd 8+ rpg player.

rodman had to deliver 15+ rebounds game ON THE ROAD.

he failed there.

he was TERRIFIC at home.
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He was pretty ordinary ON THE ROAD.

You win championships ON THE ROAD.

MJ had his BEST game of the series in Game 3 ON THE ROAD.

That ROAD WIN game, rodman had only 10 rebounds.


In so many words, Rodman needed back-2-back 18+ rebounding games to be a legit FMVP contender.

He may have won 2 games SINGLEHANDEDLY

BUT

ON THE 3 ROAD GAMES, his rebounding stats were 12 rpg. good but not great for ONE TRICK PONY with 0.2 bpg.

Bulls did not had 2nd 8+ rpg player.

rodman had to deliver 15+ rebounds game ON THE ROAD.

he failed there.

he was TERRIFIC at home.
In game 3 Rodman stat line was 5/10/2 on 67%shooting in ONLY 30 min of a BLOWOUT. The Bulls were plus 22 when he was on the floor. Im sure had he played another 11-12 minutes, his stats would probably be close to 9/17/4. This is why we cant put too mich stock in stats as a means to draw conclusions of a players impact.
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In game 3 Rodman stat line was 5/10/2 on 67%shooting in ONLY 30 min of a BLOWOUT. The Bulls were plus 22 when he was on the floor. Im sure had he played another 11-12 minutes, his stats would probably be close to 9/17/4. This is why we cant put too mich stock in stats as a means to draw conclusions of a players impact.

so would you make an argument that Rodman was an FMVP of 1996 nba finals on <15 rpg alone.

His bpg are horrendrous.

Kemp averaged 10rpg after averaging 23+ppg.

Many consider Rodman frustrated Kemp but I dont see how a PF really frustrates other PF with an average of 23+/10 @ 55%FG in NBA finals.

Rodman may have gotten a rebound.

Kemp played like runner-up MVP in 1996 finals. His could've easily been 25+/10+ had he not taken 7 FGA for 14 pts in Game 3.
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so would you make an argument that Rodman was an FMVP of 1996 nba finals on <15 rpg alone.

His bpg are horrendrous.

Kemp averaged 10rpg after averaging 23+ppg.

Many consider Rodman frustrated Kemp but I dont see how a PF really frustrates other PF with an average of 23+/10 @ 55%FG in NBA finals.

Rodman may have gotten a rebound.

Kemp played like runner-up MVP in 1996 finals. His could've easily been 25+/10+ had he not taken 7 FGA for 14 pts in Game 3.
Rodman definitely got into Kemps head that series. He commited a lot of silly fouls, had a lot of TOs, and technicals. And again, a large portion if Kemps numbers occurred with the game well in hand.
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Rodman "only" averaged 14.5 rebounds per game! Haha. "Only". Most players can only dream of dominating the boards like that. 14.5 average! Are you kidding me? That is insane. Rodman was cleaning up the glass no doubt.
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Default Re: Michael Jordan was the only LEGIT 1996 FMVP candidate besides Kemp.

Even tho Rodman was the most important Bulls player in that series, I think Jordan still deserve the FMVP.. Both Jordan and Rodman were co-FMVP in that series and since Jordan was the face of the league and Devin Stern greener pasture so they gave it to Jordan..
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Rodman "only" averaged 14.5 rebounds per game! Haha. "Only". Most players can only dream of dominating the boards like that. 14.5 average! Are you kidding me? That is insane. Rodman was cleaning up the glass no doubt.

Yeah, and "only" a 23.9% rebounding rate. "Overblown" he says, needed to average 20-22 rpg...
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MJ stans are the worst stans in pro basketball Payton owned the shit outta MJ and then Rodman dominated on the boards and won chitown the games SMH biggest Fmvp robbery til 08
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Rodman "only" averaged 14.5 rebounds per game! Haha. "Only". Most players can only dream of dominating the boards like that. 14.5 average! Are you kidding me? That is insane. Rodman was cleaning up the glass no doubt.

You do know that Rodman's nemisis Kemp had 23+/10+ as PF & compare that to Bulls PF 7.5/14.5.

that aint enough to win FMVP over MJ who had 27+/4+/5+

no matter how you slice it.

MJ's assists stats went down cuz he played OFF THE BALL big time in this series more than 1997 finals & particularly 1998 finals..

Pippen was the PRIMARY BALL HANDLER & still tanked the whole series.

Rodman was GREAT but he was not FMVP worthy at all.

Rodman must average DOUBLE DOUBLE at 15rpg to be considered FMVP.

or

Rodman needed to average 20+rpg/7.5ppg to get FMVP over MJ.

he did not do it.
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Rodman "only" averaged 14.5 rebounds per game! Haha. "Only". Most players can only dream of dominating the boards like that. 14.5 average! Are you kidding me? That is insane. Rodman was cleaning up the glass no doubt.

question here is not MOST PLAYERs.

question here is Did Rodman deserved FMVP over MJ's 27+/4+/5+ especially since 2nd best scoring option had 15+ppg average.

NO!

Rodman was still the 2nd best peformer for Bulls in 1996 finals.

He was clearly not the best despite peforming great in 2 games of the finals.
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Rodman definitely got into Kemps head that series. He commited a lot of silly fouls, had a lot of TOs, and technicals. And again, a large portion if Kemps numbers occurred with the game well in hand.

Kemp had 4 FGM out of 7 FGA the whole game for scoring 14 pts.

Kemp was actually criticized for not gunning for 35+pts like MJ in the most important game of franchises career AT HOME after being down 0-2.

thank god I dont see game only through Jordan's stans prism.

Kemp was actually critized for not going for 40 pts & getting seattle their first win AT HOME.
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