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Old 05-15-2013, 06:28 PM   #1
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I have a question.

When a lawyer is hired do they actually put effort towards winning your case, or are they just a means of streamlining the inevitable to be more organized? Is there an incentive for lawyers winning your case?
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:38 PM   #2
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I have a question.

When a lawyer is hired do they actually put effort towards winning your case, or are they just a means of streamlining the inevitable to be more organized? Is there an incentive for lawyers winning your case?


of course. there are huge incentives for winning cases and getting the best possible result for the client.

Most lawyers are naturally competitive, the job doesn't really attract many non competitive types.

Lawyers want their clients to be happy and to tell others how well that they handled the case for you. Lawyers want judges, prosecutors, opposing counsel, and other court personnel to know that they know WTF they are doing, and that they are damn good too. A lawyer's image and reputation is almost everything.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:48 PM   #3
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of course. there are huge incentives for winning cases and getting the best possible result for the client.

Most lawyers are naturally competitive, the job doesn't really attract many non competitive types.

Lawyers want their clients to be happy and to tell others how well that they handled the case for you. Lawyers want judges, prosecutors, opposing counsel, and other court personnel to know that they know WTF they are doing, and that they are damn good too. A lawyer's image and reputation is almost everything.

So let's say you've been charged of a non-violent crime like tax evasion or prohibited driving and if convicted will lead you to serve jail time, a laywer will work to get you off the hook all in the name of reputation?
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:57 PM   #4
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So let's say you've been charged of a non-violent crime like tax evasion or prohibited driving and if convicted will lead you to serve jail time, a laywer will work to get you off the hook all in the name of reputation?
You can also fire your lawyer if you don't think they are working to get you off the hook.
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So let's say you've been charged of a non-violent crime like tax evasion or prohibited driving and if convicted will lead you to serve jail time, a laywer will work to get you off the hook all in the name of reputation?

Its more than that. They are also held to ethical rules which more or less say they must advocate for you to the best of their abilities.

But reputation is like the lifeblood to a lawyer or a law firm. I don't care if its a speeding ticket, a murder, a breach of contract case, a med mal issue, etc., your lawyer is always gonna go for the best possible result. They want their clients to be satisfied with their services.
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So let's say you've been charged of a non-violent crime like tax evasion or prohibited driving and if convicted will lead you to serve jail time, a laywer will work to get you off the hook all in the name of reputation?

My sister is about to graduate with a law degree, according to her one thing to remember is that if a lawyer works for someone else's firm their career is evaluated on how well they win cases, if they want their bonus's, commissions, raises etc they need to be winning their firm cases because their win/loss ratio affects the whole perception of a firm.
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Old 05-15-2013, 07:53 PM   #7
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So let's say you've been charged of a non-violent crime like tax evasion or prohibited driving and if convicted will lead you to serve jail time, a laywer will work to get you off the hook all in the name of reputation?
So you were caught performing open heart surgery in a Ferrari purchased with your unpaid taxes while your license was suspended from your 3rd DUI?

You're f*cked, a lawyer can't help you.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:32 PM   #9
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So you were caught performing open heart surgery in a Ferrari purchased with your unpaid taxes while your license was suspended from your 3rd DUI?

You're f*cked, a lawyer can't help you.

And I was on my cell phone going 70 in a residential

For real I only ask this because I knew 2 people charged with the same offense that both went to trial. One buddy used the court appointed attorney and the other hired a criminal lawyer. In the end they both received the same punishment, but one paid $5000 for a lawyer to defend him. I think the only benefit he received for hiring a lawyer was he never had to attend the bail hearings or the prelimenaries.

To me it just seemed that he could have saved the $5000 and went through the same process.
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And I was on my cell phone going 70 in a residential

For real I only ask this because I knew 2 people charged with the same offense that both went to trial. One buddy used the court appointed attorney and the other hired a criminal lawyer. In the end they both received the same punishment, but one paid $5000 for a lawyer to defend him. I think the only benefit he received for hiring a lawyer was he never had to attend the bail hearings or the prelimenaries.

To me it just seemed that he could have saved the $5000 and went through the same process.

The punishment has nothing to do with the defense attorney, it all depends on the prosecutor. Were your buddies offered plea deals? Usually your attorney will try to negotiate a lesser crime/punishment in exchange for a no contest plea. If you refuse the deal and force the prosecutor to prepare the entire court process then they are much more likely to throw the book at you.
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:46 PM   #11
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Default Re: Any lawyers or posters familiar with law practices?

Nowadays you can even get into a deal. Win the case and get paid, lose and you pay the lawyer nothing at all.

Lawyers will generally advocate in your best interest, however that doesn't mean they will win every case, especially if prosecutors already have hard evidence on you. All they can do is mitigate and lower your sentences.
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Nowadays you can even get into a deal. Win the case and get paid, lose and you pay the lawyer nothing at all.

Lawyers will generally advocate in your best interest, however that doesn't mean they will win every case, especially if prosecutors already have hard evidence on you. All they can do is mitigate and lower your sentences.
there's a lot of law firms here that work that way now but they evaluate your case first and only take it if they know they will win. They usually only handle small cases though, lots of car accidents, insurances claims and work place injuries and the like. I doubt they'd do criminal cases like that
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