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Old 06-05-2013, 04:32 PM   #181
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And vet min deals
Yeah I failed to mention that just assumed that was common knowledge.

Doesnt leave much room to get better.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:27 PM   #182
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http://www.prosportstransactions.com...ure/Knicks.htm

Basically Knicks have 0 picks in 14 and 16, one 1st round pick in 13 and 15.

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Old 06-05-2013, 06:35 PM   #183
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http://www.prosportstransactions.com...ure/Knicks.htm

Basically Knicks have 0 picks in 14 and 16, one 1st round pick in 13 and 15.
They have a pick in 16, 14 is the only year they don't have a 1st, but have a 2nd.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:09 PM   #184
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

What could possibly be done to get any pick this year?

^^^ that's a question I hope you might actually discuss

>>>this is because I know you all love my ideas

Mavericks supposedly willing to deal pick 13 to clear 10 mill more capspace

Mavs get- Felton, q-rich & j white (both non gauranteed right?)

Suns get- derozen, chandler, pick 13

Raptors get- amare, k Marshall, Vince carter, pick 30

Knicks get- Marion, j Cunningham, frye, brown, Beasley, Bargnani, kleiza, pick 5

Then trade pick 24 for 2 2nds (olynyk 5, nedovic and Harris 2nd)


Shumpert/Cunningham/nedovic*
Smith/brown/Novak
Carmelo/kleiza/Elias Harris*
Bargnani/Marion/Beasley
Camby/olynyk*/frye

23 mill plus in expirers (Camby, Marion, kleiza, brown)
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:04 PM   #185
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i thought the pick in year 14 was a swap of who had it higher goes to denver

nevermind, thats in 16
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:14 AM   #186
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

Nowadays, it's easy to get a first round pick in the latter part of the draft...if you want one. You just have to be a diligent GM though. Contenders are very willing to give up their draft picks.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:58 AM   #187
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Nowadays, it's easy to get a first round pick in the latter part of the draft...if you want one. You just have to be a diligent GM though. Contenders are very willing to give up their draft picks.
We can't buy one so that gonna be a challenge.

Given that the draft isn't strong someone may give away a pick for future considerations.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:50 PM   #188
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Dahantay Jones?

Might be of good value for the vet minimum.

Had a down season in-between Dallas and Atlanta.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:52 PM   #189
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

A hypothetical here:

But if you had to trade Shumpert + #24 to move up, which draft pick would you do it for?

Id say only Nerlens Noel & Anthony Bennett.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:02 AM   #190
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A hypothetical here:

But if you had to trade Shumpert + #24 to move up, which draft pick would you do it for?

Id say only Nerlens Noel & Anthony Bennett.

None. Shumpert would be a top 5 pick in this draft. I like Bennett though. Noel is going to take a while to develop and the Knicks aren't that patient.
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:27 AM   #191
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A hypothetical here:

But if you had to trade Shumpert + #24 to move up, which draft pick would you do it for?

Id say only Nerlens Noel & Anthony Bennett.
This isnt the kind of draft to make that kind of move IMHO. I still hold some reservations on Shump because I dont believe this organization has done a good job developing ANY players. I do believe in Shump doing work on his own though.
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Old 06-07-2013, 10:40 AM   #192
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

This team has given up so many draft picks and players to get where they are. I think its time they find a scouting/personel department that can bring in more young guns. Some championship teams can do it the way the Knicks are doing it but the Knicks are just not getting it done. Buying a roster just doesnt work.
Things are looking bleak for the next 2 years for this team (contract/draft picks wise). But I digress I will find a silver lining eventually.

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Old 06-07-2013, 10:47 AM   #193
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Rameek I couldn't agree more. This is not the draft to trade Shump to move up in at all. I also agree about our piss poor scouting department. I've been complaining about this on this board for years now and nobody paid me much attention. We have lazy scouts and a lazy GM. Do you get instantaneously better through the draft and summer league and league minimum deals? No. But the good teams get better using these methods that are put in place specifically to help you get better without having to mortgage the house trying to hit it big yet again in Free Agency.

The Knicks have routinely not taken Summer League seriously. We routinely don't develop young players. We routinely squander draft picks (mainly 2nd rounders). To me, how you build a team, is getting 1 or 2 top tier players, finding a really good player around the 10 million dollar range, and then getting solid role players that compliment their talents. So far, the Knicks have just shown, they want to get the biggest name they can find, regardless of whether he is capable of helping the team.
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Old 06-07-2013, 11:34 AM   #194
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i thought the pick in year 14 was a swap of who had it higher goes to denver

nevermind, thats in 16
2013 – Owe second-rounder to Washington Wizards (Tyson Chandler, three-way deal with Dallas Mavericks).
Knicks have 1st round pick

2014 – Owe first-rounder to Denver Nuggets (Carmelo Anthony).
2014 – Owe second-rounder to the Houston Rockets (Marcus Camby).
2014 – Owed second-rounder (top-55 protected) from Sacramento Kings (via Boston Celtics, Nate Robinson).
2014 – Owed second-rounder (protections TBD) from Oklahoma City Thunder (Ronnie Brewer).2015 – Owe second-rounder to Houston Rockets (Marcus Camby).
The Knicks have no picks ecept possible 2nd round

2015 – Owe second-rounder to Houston Rockets (Marcus Camby).
Knicks have 1st round pick

2016 – Denver Nuggets have right to swap first-rounders (Carmelo Anthony).
2016 – Owe second-rounder to Portland Trail Blazers (Raymond Felton).
Knicks have 1st round pick that can be swapped with Portland.
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Old 06-07-2013, 04:11 PM   #195
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A hypothetical here:

But if you had to trade Shumpert + #24 to move up, which draft pick would you do it for?

Id say only Nerlens Noel & Anthony Bennett.
I'm prob more open to the idea of trading shumpert than almost anyone on this board- but it would have to be as part of a bigger deal involving chandler and/or amare for multiple pieces to help the team


This team is so short handed that a shumpert and 24 for even a top 5-10 pick prob doesn't make any sense.

Of the top 10 prospects the 3 that would fit the Knicks most perfectly are olynyk or Adams as c's or mcCollum at pg
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