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Old 06-26-2013, 11:59 PM   #271
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Here's to hoping we ship Novak's sorry ass out tomorrow for a 2nd rounder.
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:39 AM   #272
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Here's to hoping we ship Novak's sorry ass out tomorrow for a 2nd rounder.
I see that idea all the time- what would make you think a team would pay to take his contract on?
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Old 06-27-2013, 04:55 AM   #273
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

There isn't a single team that would trade their best player for ours.

One, their best player likely has upside and youth, and theirs don't make almost half of the salary cap.

What's even crazy when they do become expirers, no one will want that either since other than BK, no one was a overpaid cast like ours.
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:15 AM   #274
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You would initially have to find a team under the cap that are willing to take any of the top 3 this is an ideal situation. If not then you have to match dollar for dollar with a team with no cap room.

Amare is always hurt and has little explosion and athleticism. Now he is going to Hakeem to learn how to play the game with skills. His contract is uninsured. Amare is going to have to start and play well up until the trade deadline to even have a chance to be moved. The Knicks have devalued the guy by saying he is on a minutes limit. Who is going to take this guy with that contract and oft injured?

Chandler is coming off an injured year and at 15 million dollars with no real tangible skills other than defense. Who is going to take this guy? Cleveland would be a good spot for him honestly because he has good character and leadership calls it like he sees it.

Melo is a elite volume scorer. You are not moving him unless Chandler or Amare is gone. I couldnt ever seeing anyone wanting this guy unless it was pennies on the dollar.

The reality is the Knicks dumped everything and the future for these 3 guys now you are going to have to dump the future to get rid of these guys.

At this point I just dont believe Dolan giving up on these guys unless they disrespect the organization in some form or fashion. Its not about winning championships but winning the box office. Legit Coaches and GM's dont want any part of this organization because of the weird FO policies and chain of command. No players want to come here because there is no tradition of winning or success and the FAN and MEDIA scrutiny is daunting. This place is a pay check.

The focus is on the role players to me because of all the reasons stated up there. I would love to see something magical happen on the trade front but that just doesnt seem likely.

On a side note why is Shawne Williams desired. Thats scrapping the bottom of the barrel. A troubled soul like that should be left off this roster.
Basically to you, a team that was the second seed despite an epic injury plagued season, and lost to the Pacers (that took the NBA champions to 7 games) because the second best player didn't play, most players choked because not used to playoffs pressure with Knicks uniform and because of an incredibly suspect game 6 reffing, to you this team is crap.

Nobody wants Melo?

Last year was a huge stepping stone from a team that didn't won a playoffs game for 10 years. Experience is of tremendous importance, Knicks tried to buy it by bringing veteran players, but it doesn't work that way, you have to be there, and that's how guys like Shump and Felton grow, by being there not by having 40 year olds practicing with them.

Knicks will be a contending team next year. Experience + Healthy Amare + sting of loss, so what's wrong with this picture? You don't want a contending team?

How about sticking with the same guys and coach for a while instead of having a new team and a new coach every year?


Grunwald done a great job until now, let have some faith on him, that he can make little teaks and improve the team.
Woodson done a tremendous job so far, most successful Knicks coach in history, most players improved their game under him, Amare, JR and Copeland being the most obvious.
The players, well, looking back at all the season projection, they basically overachieved.

Yes let's blow this shit up, and whatever.

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Old 06-27-2013, 10:25 AM   #275
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I'm embarrassed to be a Knicks fan sometimes. The knowledge of our fan base is ridiculously overrated. Carmelo Anthony has no trade value now?
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Old 06-27-2013, 02:21 PM   #276
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

Rameek said "pennies on the dollar", he didn't say "no trade value".

Which I agree to a an extent and here is the test.

Melo is a star player.

Now, who would give up their star for player for Melo?

Very few if any, and thats where the "pennies on the dollar" comes from.

You wont get the value of the player for a couple of factors...

1) 5 highest salary in the league....impossible to match 1 for 1.

2) it's a cap nightmare for an owner who is AVOID the tax.

3) He doesn't have the value you think he does, and you certainly would not get Denver's package back for him.

3 rotational players, a project big, cap space, and 2 first round picks.

No team is giving that back for Melo, so yes, it's pennies on the dollar.

It isn't the player himself that has lost value, it's the contract he has.

It's a CBA eyesore in THIS cba.
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Old 06-27-2013, 02:28 PM   #277
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I'm embarrassed to be a Knicks fan sometimes. The knowledge of our fan base is ridiculously overrated. Carmelo Anthony has no trade value now?
This statement i agree with 100%.
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Old 06-27-2013, 02:53 PM   #278
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

The other part to consider, Melo has an opt out, and as we have already seen, no one was willing to even "RENT" Melo, and forego productive players and not know if he will extend with them.
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Old 06-27-2013, 03:02 PM   #279
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At least Knickcity understands... significant difference between pennies on the dollar and trade value


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Rameek said "pennies on the dollar", he didn't say "no trade value".

Which I agree to a an extent and here is the test.

Melo is a star player.

Now, who would give up their star for player for Melo?

Very few if any, and thats where the "pennies on the dollar" comes from.

You wont get the value of the player for a couple of factors...

1) 5 highest salary in the league....impossible to match 1 for 1.

2) it's a cap nightmare for an owner who is AVOID the tax.

3) He doesn't have the value you think he does, and you certainly would not get Denver's package back for him.

3 rotational players, a project big, cap space, and 2 first round picks.

No team is giving that back for Melo, so yes, it's pennies on the dollar.

It isn't the player himself that has lost value, it's the contract he has.

It's a CBA eyesore in THIS cba.

So far we are not bringing back the same team as last year so how can this team be contenders already?

PG Felton
SG Shump, James White
SF Novak
PF Melo, Amare
C Chandler, Camby

Thats what we have right now. I dont see any significant trades occurring because this team doesnt want youth they want veterans. So just expect the team to go after more krust and junkies?

7 roster spots over the cap lets see what Grunwald does. 1 Mini-MLE and a bunch of veterans minimums available.

Arent most of us praying the Knicks can bring back Jr, Prigs, Cope? Just to have some depth.

Isnt this the point where we say lord lets get a couple of 2nd round picks to fill out this roster with young guys so Woodson wont play them. Or acquire a 2nd and package with 24th to move up some spots to get a player that Woodson isnt going to play anyway?

We will see how things shake out tonight.

Grumwald and Dolan will show if they mean business about winning championships or selling tickets.

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At least Knickcity understands... significant difference between pennies on the dollar and trade value




So far we are not bringing back the same team as last year so how can this team be contenders already?

PG Felton
SG Shump, James White
SF Novak
PF Melo, Amare
C Chandler, Camby

Thats what we have right now. I dont see any significant trades occurring because this team doesnt want youth they want veterans. So just expect the team to go after more krust and junkies?

7 roster spots over the cap lets see what Grunwald does. 1 Mini-MLE and a bunch of veterans minimums available.

Arent most of us praying the Knicks can bring back Jr, Prigs, Cope? Just to have some depth.

Isnt this the point where we say lord lets get a couple of 2nd round picks to fill out this roster with young guys so Woodson wont play them. Or acquire a 2nd and package with 24th to move up some spots to get a player that Woodson isnt going to play anyway?

We will see how things shake out tonight.

Grumwald and Dolan will show if they mean business about winning championships or selling tickets.
Tyson would have to be the player traded if the Knicks truly want to improve.

I wouldn't even need to get a center back in return.

We've already seen Miami win with a vet min in Bird and old Haslem and a 6 rebounding Bosh.

Even the Spurs trotted out Splitter and Diaw.
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Tyson would have to be the player traded if the Knicks truly want to improve.

I wouldn't even need to get a center back in return.

We've already seen Miami win with a vet min in Bird and old Haslem and a 6 rebounding Bosh.

Even the Spurs trotted out Splitter and Diaw.

Agree 100%.

We can go "small ball" with Melo & Amare in the frontcourt and be just as successful as this past season if not better assuming we find a solid role player big for our bench. Hopefully K-Mart returns for depth purposes but a hustle C, maybe even Birdman himself, would make up for losing Chandler as a rim protector/offensive liability.
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Chandler for Dwight.
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