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Old 06-12-2014, 02:15 PM   #721
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

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True. And it's a good point that not too much will be totally resolved until we know what Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Dirk, Duncan are all doing (hint: they're staying).

That being said, I can't help but think you're referring to my trades... and since they're expirers being dealt, I don't see how a contract leaving the team would make it undesirable.
You can bring in people that the FA does not want to play with. No team is going to risk that.

I just enjoy the creativity of trades.

I can see Chandler going to OKC but the return product probably wouldnt make Melo want to stay.
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Old 06-12-2014, 03:24 PM   #722
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

The Knicks roster truly has a lot of great pieces, and a lot of pieces that fit well.

Chandler, Amare, Melo are all nearly perfect with one another on paper. Healthy, rookie-year-but-better Shumpert is a great SG. Just need a playmaking PG. Smith and Bargs fill the role as bench scorers/specialists.

Now a coach to put it all together. If Fisher is that man, great. If not, can't just trade one piece... Chandler works too well with Melo. Need to do both.
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The Knicks roster truly has a lot of great pieces, and a lot of pieces that fit well.

Chandler, Amare, Melo are all nearly perfect with one another on paper. Healthy, rookie-year-but-better Shumpert is a great SG. Just need a playmaking PG. Smith and Bargs fill the role as bench scorers/specialists.

Now a coach to put it all together. If Fisher is that man, great. If not, can't just trade one piece... Chandler works too well with Melo. Need to do both.
Chandler/amare is a terrible fit w Carmelo.

Never mind. These guys here all believed most of your post 2 years ago. I don't know what you saw/are seeing
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Chandler/amare is a terrible fit w Carmelo.

Never mind. These guys here all believed most of your post 2 years ago. I don't know what you saw/are seeing
Wasn't me. I don't remember ever being in this forum before.

But Chandler is a purely defensive C. Amare is a purely offensive PF with 18' range. Clear compatability there. Now to add in Melo, he can, and does, do it all on offense, plus he's an average defender. I don't understand how, ON PAPER, they don't fit.

Edit: I guess you could argue ball dominance for Melo and Amare.. but that's where a PG and/or coach comes in to play.
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Wasn't me. I don't remember ever being in this forum before.

But Chandler is a purely defensive C. Amare is a purely offensive PF with 18' range. Clear compatability there. Now to add in Melo, he can, and does, do it all on offense, plus he's an average defender. I don't understand how, ON PAPER, they don't fit.

Edit: I guess you could argue ball dominance for Melo and Amare.. but that's where a PG and/or coach comes in to play.
If all you want Carmelo to be is an all star then sure. If you want him to be a superstar then he and amare are a terrible match. They both need to be in the same spots to be most effective. Doesn't have to be me saying it though. Phil directly said that amare doesn't fit next to Carmelo.


Chandler offensively is tough for anybody to fit with because he is so limited and a very low iq offensive player. Add up the space chandler wastes with the space amare needs and you are asking Carmelo to create starting outside the 3 point line most of the time.


I think the majority of this board doesn't understand that Carmelo is Not what they might think of as a prototype sf which in today's game means more of a gaurd than a forward. And sure maybe I over rate him but I believe he is a very unique player at sf (more of a power 3). To want him to play as a perimeter handler when you have the ability to use him inside-out is crazy or at least a lack of recognizing what his skill set is.


I'm excited by the triangle because I believe it will get Carmelo in much better spots than just at the 3 point line. I expect to see a career year, but it will take big contributions from bargnani, and jr because those are the other guys that can create space for Carmelo to play 15 or so feet and in
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

Its a cop out to say these guys have to score from the same places on the floor. This is where coaching comes in. When you have 3 guys Melo, Amare, JR that have to hold the ball then make there moves it limits the other people on the floor. It allows the defense to set up and take away what they want to take away from your team. This is why they dont necessarily fit they neutralize the other by holding the ball then making their moves and from those moves they can not make a play for the other 2 because they have to make a bucket first. When your best scorers arent play makers for each other because they allow the defense to set up and usually the spacing is horrendous because of it, IT'S A BAD FIT. The lack of a marksman hurts the Knicks as well. A Ray Allen type of shooter not in accuracy but the ability to move off the original shot and get a better one or take it to the hole.

What makes Chandler a bad fit is he isnt a big go get it rebounder or high energy guy that can get scraps. He is a box out in position kind of player. This was Stat's role. He was suppose to flourish getting scraps with easy tip ins and dunks off misses. Chandler was the system guy and Stat was the high energy scrap getter.

So in all honesty when you run the triangle Felton, Chandler, and Shump are least likely to be useful and Bargs is just a useless player because he got his money and can go sail off into the sunset back into oblivion.



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If all you want Carmelo to be is an all star then sure. If you want him to be a superstar then he and amare are a terrible match. They both need to be in the same spots to be most effective. Doesn't have to be me saying it though. Phil directly said that amare doesn't fit next to Carmelo.


Chandler offensively is tough for anybody to fit with because he is so limited and a very low iq offensive player. Add up the space chandler wastes with the space amare needs and you are asking Carmelo to create starting outside the 3 point line most of the time.


I think the majority of this board doesn't understand that Carmelo is Not what they might think of as a prototype sf which in today's game means more of a gaurd than a forward. And sure maybe I over rate him but I believe he is a very unique player at sf (more of a power 3). To want him to play as a perimeter handler when you have the ability to use him inside-out is crazy or at least a lack of recognizing what his skill set is.


I'm excited by the triangle because I believe it will get Carmelo in much better spots than just at the 3 point line. I expect to see a career year, but it will take big contributions from bargnani, and jr because those are the other guys that can create space for Carmelo to play 15 or so feet and in
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

The Post reported the Knicks are intrigued by Patty Mills. Thats interesting. Any thoughts?
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Nick Johnson/jimmer/murry/dinwiddie
Jr/Jared Cunningham
Carmelo/Elias Harris
Amare/Dwight Powell/p young/a daye
Bargnani/fesenko/mcGary
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Nick Johnson/jimmer/murry/dinwiddie
Jr/Jared Cunningham
Carmelo/Elias Harris
Amare/Dwight Powell/p young/a daye
Bargnani/fesenko/mcGary
And then in 2015 you slide love right in for amare.
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The Post reported the Knicks are intrigued by Patty Mills. Thats interesting. Any thoughts?

he's isnt really a starting caliber pg, but he'd be a nice addition.
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Old 06-17-2014, 05:59 PM   #731
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he's isnt really a starting caliber pg, but he'd be a nice addition.
He kinda reminds me of Damian Lillard Lite.
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Scratch larry sanders off the list please.....

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...ab-this-summer

Now comes word from the Journal Times that Sanders is "expected" to enter rehab this summer. And for the Bucks, he has become "untradeable."

Contrary to a report, the market for Sanders is virtually non-existent as he not only has been plagued by off-court issues he is expected to enter a rehab facility this summer but will be entering the first of a four-year, $44 million contract next season.

He's a young man who seems to have fallen into his worst habits, succumbed to his lesser demons. The NBA has long strugged with how to provide adequate help for players going through what Sanders is. Maybe there is no way, and it just comes down to personal decisions. But hopefully someone can reach Sanders and get his career on track. He's a talented player, but he's also a human being who appears to be spiralling out of control.
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I guess you are right. I don't think Phil wants to mess around with a troubled guy line that. Even if he has the potential to be the perfect defender/rebounder. Wait- Dennis rodman......... Just Kidding, even I see he should be crossed off the list.


I still have to wonder if you'll still think capspace is the right way to go once love and Lebron are locked in
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I guess you are right. I don't think Phil wants to mess around with a troubled guy line that. Even if he has the potential to be the perfect defender/rebounder. Wait- Dennis rodman......... Just Kidding, even I see he should be crossed off the list.


I still have to wonder if you'll still think capspace is the right way to go once love and Lebron are locked in
Of course cap space is the way to go and having picks. Its about having options and tools to take advantage of opportunities. You develop a star then you add pieces to make it a championship team. It doesnt matter who is locked in. This team doesnt have the desirable pieces, cap space or draft picks to make the moves that are necessary at this point to put quality players on the floor.

So we all hope Bargs, Chandler, Shump, Jr could be dumped on other teams but that just isnt the way the CBA works and the luxury tax is quite prohibitive. Plus most teams are looking to make there team desirable for this summer, next summer and the one after.

Once people realize this 2014-2015 season is what its going to be and there probably is a couple of moves that can be made once the Melo situation is resolved but its all about 2015 cap space and beyond.

Build a team and stop retooling so heavy with big contracts.

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This was on the main page about the Blazers....

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If you're NY and you can get Batum,Thomas Robinson,Dorrell WRight and future 1sts for Melo, or lose him for free to someone else, I pull the trigger. You send him out west and keep your cap space open for Durant, if that's the goal.
That wouldnt be a bad deal but I'd want Wesley Mathews and Batum, Robinson plus a future unprotected 1st.
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