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Old 07-21-2014, 03:46 PM   #751
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Default Re: So what moves can be made?

What about a simple move like

Lakers- Brandon Jennings, delfino

Pistons- Amare

Bucks- Nash, dalembert, Ellington, jerebko (all expirers) + Hardaway, Larkin, thanasis


Knicks- singler, mayo, sanders, illyasova, smith



Calderon/shumpert/prigioni/s brown/murry
Jr/singler
Carmelo/cleanthony
Sanders/smith/illyasova
Bargnani/smith/Aldrich
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Old 07-22-2014, 03:13 AM   #752
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What about a simple move like

Lakers- Brandon Jennings, delfino

Pistons- Amare

Bucks- Nash, dalembert, Ellington, jerebko (all expirers) + Hardaway, Larkin, thanasis


Knicks- singler, mayo, sanders, illyasova, smith



Calderon/shumpert/prigioni/s brown/murry
Jr/singler
Carmelo/cleanthony
Sanders/smith/illyasova
Bargnani/smith/Aldrich
I dont want to poo poo your ideas but IMHO if it doesnt make the Knicks a championship contender or close then it's unlikely to happen.
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Old 07-22-2014, 03:19 AM   #753
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I'm really curious if the Knicks should go after Matrix.
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Old 07-22-2014, 09:37 AM   #754
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I'm really curious if the Knicks should go after Matrix.
Good question. He's solid, but 36 years old. In my perfect little world, we get as much young talent going as we can this year, as we are in re-build mode. I don't know if I'd rather have Metta as a defense-stopper first. I don't want them to get reliant on someone like Marion, who can obviously put up shots. But I've said it before - I finally have some faith in the FO, so I'll roll with whatever they present this season.
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Old 07-22-2014, 07:57 PM   #755
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Matrix the better player now. Could be the backup sf everybody is all worried about. Mwp knows the system and fisher/Phil already.


A min wage Marion signing would be ridiculous but don't see how someone doesn't give him 3-4 or so somewhere else.
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Old 07-22-2014, 11:28 PM   #756
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Good question. He's solid, but 36 years old. In my perfect little world, we get as much young talent going as we can this year, as we are in re-build mode. I don't know if I'd rather have Metta as a defense-stopper first. I don't want them to get reliant on someone like Marion, who can obviously put up shots. But I've said it before - I finally have some faith in the FO, so I'll roll with whatever they present this season.
The Knicks dont have a young PF... There is no future PF on this team. So he wouldnt be holding anyone back. I'd rather have Matrix than Metta give me sane than insane any day.
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Old 07-23-2014, 03:38 PM   #757
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I'm really curious if the Knicks should go after Matrix.
I may have missed some pertinent information, but the Knicks have no possible way to sign Marion.
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Old 07-23-2014, 03:43 PM   #758
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I was just in the Nets forum (man, is that depressing) and got this idea...

Amare/Shumpert
for
DWill/Plumlee

DWill's contract.. sucks. But that's why Plumlee is added to the deal. He's a good young player.

Calderon/Williams/Prigs
Williams/JR/Hardaway JR
Melo/JR/Ellington
Plums/Bargs
Dal/Plums/Bargs

I really like 1-4. Williams contract does suck, but at least he's a second "star" to pair with Melo. Because, let's face it, NYKs cap situation will suck until Melo's deal is over.

Could then try to flip Bargs + Hardaway JR (the bait) for something useful... Larry Sanders and a first? Greg Monroe (Knicks would have to add two future second round picks)?

Those deals would leave the Knicks with...

Calderon/Williams/Prigs
Williams/JR/
Melo/JR/Ellington
Plums/Sanders
Sanders/Dal/Plums

or

Calderon/Williams/Prigs
Williams/JR/Hardaway JR
Melo/JR/Ellington
Monroe/Plums
Plums/Dal
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:15 PM   #759
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I will say I am totally dumbfounded and disappointed. I assumed Zen had a couple of trades in the bag to convince Melo to stay but if it was only contract options that would suck. How could Melo resign with this team going into the season with this roster?

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August 25. When Larkin, Ellington, dalembert can be in a trade package.

I know there is time but if any of these guys are part of the package then so be it. I like the one move he made on draft day which was a no brainer and probably initiated by Dallas. Something has to change before now and opening day.
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Old 07-25-2014, 03:55 PM   #760
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I will say I am totally dumbfounded and disappointed. I assumed Zen had a couple of trades in the bag to convince Melo to stay but if it was only contract options that would suck. How could Melo resign with this team going into the season with this roster?



I know there is time but if any of these guys are part of the package then so be it. I like the one move he made on draft day which was a no brainer and probably initiated by Dallas. Something has to change before now and opening day.

I know how you feel but it is crucial to realize it's a long term re-build. We have a decent roster; I want to see if we can groom some of these dudes in the new system. Melo knows it's gonna take 2 years (at the very least). If we can get Hardaway, Shumpert, Larkin and Early to their next "levels", we will have a solid core to add at least 2 free agents to. With diligence, we will be a well-oiled machine by 2016. This is what I'm hoping for... it's a bit like the Spur's philosophy. We will never be a "superteam"... we need to have 5 guys playing as one on the floor. Yeah, I could be wrong here, but this is what I believe is coming to fruition. Knick fans are gonna have to be patient.
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Old 07-25-2014, 05:47 PM   #761
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I know how you feel but it is crucial to realize it's a long term re-build. We have a decent roster; I want to see if we can groom some of these dudes in the new system. Melo knows it's gonna take 2 years (at the very least). If we can get Hardaway, Shumpert, Larkin and Early to their next "levels", we will have a solid core to add at least 2 free agents to. With diligence, we will be a well-oiled machine by 2016. This is what I'm hoping for... it's a bit like the Spur's philosophy. We will never be a "superteam"... we need to have 5 guys playing as one on the floor. Yeah, I could be wrong here, but this is what I believe is coming to fruition. Knick fans are gonna have to be patient.

Unfortunately this is still a below avg roster (think about it none of our starters sans Melo could start on a majority of other NBA teams). It will take a great system to make this team competitive. Hopefully the Triangle can maximize their talents and Fish can coach them up.
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Old 07-28-2014, 06:33 PM   #762
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Might or might not be another big trade.


About that trade exemption: I would love to see shved from Minnesota brought in. His salary is 3.2 for 1 season, and the twolves just signed no Williams to backup Rubio. Maybe shved is the odd man out?


If Knicks get love I hope shved is included
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Old 07-28-2014, 09:19 PM   #763
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I was just in the Nets forum (man, is that depressing) and got this idea...

Amare/Shumpert
for
DWill/Plumlee

DWill's contract.. sucks. But that's why Plumlee is added to the deal. He's a good young player.

Calderon/Williams/Prigs
Williams/JR/Hardaway JR
Melo/JR/Ellington
Plums/Bargs
Dal/Plums/Bargs

I really like 1-4. Williams contract does suck, but at least he's a second "star" to pair with Melo. Because, let's face it, NYKs cap situation will suck until Melo's deal is over.

Could then try to flip Bargs + Hardaway JR (the bait) for something useful... Larry Sanders and a first? Greg Monroe (Knicks would have to add two future second round picks)?

Those deals would leave the Knicks with...

Calderon/Williams/Prigs
Williams/JR/
Melo/JR/Ellington
Plums/Sanders
Sanders/Dal/Plums

or

Calderon/Williams/Prigs
Williams/JR/Hardaway JR
Melo/JR/Ellington
Monroe/Plums
Plums/Dal

DWill has been hurt for three years. He has three years at max money, the large max. You can't trade for him. He just came off surgery on both ankles.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:10 PM   #764
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DWill has been hurt for three years. He has three years at max money, the large max. You can't trade for him. He just came off surgery on both ankles.
I understand all that. But even playing on two bad ankles he was 14/6 (on a stacked "usage" team) with solid percentages.

Unless the ankle surgeries made him worse (they certainly made him more risky), he's easily the best guard on the team, and easily the best player Melo has had alongside him since he came to NY. Well, except for Amare for like... two months?

Basically.. Williams' floor is last season. 14/6 on 45/37/80. The Knicks cap situation makes surrounding Melo with any semblance of talent either very difficult (see: Impossible) or risky (see: Williams).

I think it's a risk worth taking. No other way, that I can see, to be a championship contender during Melo's remaining prime.
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Old 08-05-2014, 03:05 PM   #765
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If the love trade to Cleveland is really done it means 2 things to the Knicks

1- good for Phil for driving the price up. Cleveland is the competition.

2- still an incomplete team with all assets remaining.



A starting big still needs to be acquainted. And a backup pf prob too


A 2nd guard still. I think it could be shumpert, if not it has to be found
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