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Old 06-27-2013, 01:19 PM   #151
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

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If they get drafted by the Cavs...

Len will average 16-7 including some sort of injury during the middle of the season.

Noel will average 10-10-3 even with him debuting later in the season.
Mark Schwarz was just on 850 AM Cleveland radio. He is broadcasting from Independence (Cavs' headquarters) and he said they will not be selecting Alex Len with the #1 pick.

Not sure how accurate this will end up being, but it's the most definitive statement I've heard on the topic yet. Just as I thought, things seem to be trending back toward Noel.

I'm confident he has been the pick all along and remains the pick.
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

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Mark Schwarz was just on 850 AM Cleveland radio. He is broadcasting from Independence (Cavs' headquarters) and he said they will not be selecting Alex Len with the #1 pick.

Not sure how accurate this will end up being, but it's the most definitive statement I've heard on the topic yet. Just as I thought, things seem to be trending back toward Noel.

I'm confident he has been the pick all along and remains the pick.

For the last couple of days I've been thinking Len going #1 was just a smokescreen and Noel was the actual target.

Who knows what might happen, a trade may still be in place or anything. Such an unpredictable draft.
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:27 PM   #153
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Mark Schwarz was just on 850 AM Cleveland radio. He is broadcasting from Independence (Cavs' headquarters) and he said they will not be selecting Alex Len with the #1 pick.

Not sure how accurate this will end up being, but it's the most definitive statement I've heard on the topic yet. Just as I thought, things seem to be trending back toward Noel.

I'm confident he has been the pick all along and remains the pick.
RBA who would you want us to pick? I haven't been watching college ball like I used to so I can honestly only judge the two based off of highlights . Im sure Noel is the favorite but what about the ACL issues? What about Alex Len and his foot (injury?) and what do you think about drafting Victor Oladipo or Otto Porter #1 overall?
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:31 PM   #154
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For the last couple of days I've been thinking Len going #1 was just a smokescreen and Noel was the actual target.

Who knows what might happen, a trade may still be in place or anything. Such an unpredictable draft.
I think we'll end up drafting Noel regardless, but im hoping its apart of some type of trade to bring in a veteran all-sta/superstar to play along with Kyrie/Dion. Too many question marks at the top of this draft, but at the same time we all could be just overthinking it.
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

Len hasn't been that productive and he is injured. I can't imagine that there is any chance the Cavs pick him.
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

I'd just like to point out the lack of Kobe and Lebron threads, feels so refreshing!

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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

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RBA who would you want us to pick? I haven't been watching college ball like I used to so I can honestly only judge the two based off of highlights . Im sure Noel is the favorite but what about the ACL issues? What about Alex Len and his foot (injury?) and what do you think about drafting Victor Oladipo or Otto Porter #1 overall?

You asked for it... Wall of text incoming!


For me, the pick is an absolute no-brainer, assuming his medical situation has checked out, which seems to be the case...

I think Nerlens Noel is easily the best prospect in this class and I will be incredibly disappointed if he's not the pick. I've put in way too much research to this topic for something I'm not being paid for... Watched tape, studied interviews, gone over analytics, etc.

Not only do I think he's the best prospect in this class, I think he is a legitimate No. 1 pick in the grand scheme. I don't buy into this draft being as weak at the top as has been widely reported.

Truth is, from the tape I've seen and the analytics, Noel rates very high in ANY draft of the last decade. You just don't find guys with that kind of length and that kind of athleticism often. And, he just turned 19.

As much as Grant is said to rely on those advanced metrics, it is hard for me to imagine Noel hasn't been the pick all along. Let's put it like this... Kevin Pelton, who developed the WARP Rating System explained that Noel is one of the highest rated prospects in his entire database and he's been doing it for many years. He isn't alone... James Brocato his given him the third highest score out of the last four drafts. The only guys who had higher scores were Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis, and he isn't far behind those guys. Across the board, he has stellar advanced stats.

I think the trepidation, aside from the injury, is just a general apprehension people have toward defensively-minded players. For instance, as awesome as Kyrie Irving's offensive skillset was coming out of college, his defense was almost as bad as his offense was good. He wasn't called an "offensive specialist" or really even questioned as the top pick because of his defense. There were a lot of voices saying the Cavs should go the Derrick Williams/Brandon Knight route, but it had nothing to do with his defensive capabilities or lack thereof.

But, now we have the chance to grab the best rim protecting prospect to come out in a long, long time and everyone is focusing on what he can't do yet offensively. Not only is he an incredible shot-blocker (5 blocks per 38 at UK), he was second in the SEC in steals (2.1 per game) as an 18-year-old center. This guy has defensive beast written all over him.

To me, his abilities on defense should be viewed with the same intrigue that we had with Kyrie's offense. People need to stop focusing on what he can't do and start looking at what he can do. He's an absolute elite shot-blocker/turnover creater, an uber-athlete who can run the floor like a guard, potentially elite level rebounder, he was the best finisher in college basketball last year around the rim, because he can initiate, gather and/or finish with either hand (Len is strictly a right-handed player at this stage), he shows flashes of a tremendous isolation/face-up game.


And, the guy I would have No. 2 on my board is not Alex Len or Ben McLemore or Victor Oladipo... It's Otto Porter Jr., who almost no one is talking about with the top pick.
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

Big Z is cavs scout and trying to sell idea of drafting Len hard.
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

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You asked for it... Wall of text incoming!


For me, the pick is an absolute no-brainer, assuming his medical situation has checked out, which seems to be the case...

I think Nerlens Noel is easily the best prospect in this class and I will be incredibly disappointed if he's not the pick. I've put in way too much research to this topic for something I'm not being paid for... Watched tape, studied interviews, gone over analytics, etc.

Not only do I think he's the best prospect in this class, I think he is a legitimate No. 1 pick in the grand scheme. I don't buy into this draft being as weak at the top as has been widely reported.

Truth is, from the tape I've seen and the analytics, Noel rates very high in ANY draft of the last decade. You just don't find guys with that kind of length and that kind of athleticism often. And, he just turned 19.

As much as Grant is said to rely on those advanced metrics, it is hard for me to imagine Noel hasn't been the pick all along. Let's put it like this... Kevin Pelton, who developed the WARP Rating System explained that Noel is one of the highest rated prospects in his entire database and he's been doing it for many years. He isn't alone... James Brocato his given him the third highest score out of the last four drafts. The only guys who had higher scores were Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis, and he isn't far behind those guys. Across the board, he has stellar advanced stats.

I think the trepidation, aside from the injury, is just a general apprehension people have toward defensively-minded players. For instance, as awesome as Kyrie Irving's offensive skillset was coming out of college, his defense was almost as bad as his offense was good. He wasn't called an "offensive specialist" or really even questioned as the top pick because of his defense. There were a lot of voices saying the Cavs should go the Derrick Williams/Brandon Knight route, but it had nothing to do with his defensive capabilities or lack thereof.

But, now we have the chance to grab the best rim protecting prospect to come out in a long, long time and everyone is focusing on what he can't do yet offensively. Not only is he an incredible shot-blocker (5 blocks per 38 at UK), he was second in the SEC in steals (2.1 per game) as an 18-year-old center. This guy has defensive beast written all over him.

To me, his abilities on defense should be viewed with the same intrigue that we had with Kyrie's offense. People need to stop focusing on what he can't do and start looking at what he can do. He's an absolute elite shot-blocker/turnover creater, an uber-athlete who can run the floor like a guard, potentially elite level rebounder, he was the best finisher in college basketball last year around the rim, because he can initiate, gather and/or finish with either hand (Len is strictly a right-handed player at this stage), he shows flashes of a tremendous isolation/face-up game.


And, the guy I would have No. 2 on my board is not Alex Len or Ben McLemore or Victor Oladipo... It's Otto Porter Jr., who almost no one is talking about with the top pick.

Of course you do you are a Cavs fan and the cavs have the first pick. If there was an actual star player head and above like most drafts and depth, noel would probably be top 10
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

Already made a thread about it a year ago, biggest sleeper in draft is James Ennis he will be the next Kawhi Leonard
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Already made a thread about it a year ago, biggest sleeper in draft is James Ennis he will be the next Kawhi Leonard
I just looked at him on DraftExpress and he looks pretty legit. I could see him being a draft steal if he plays as good as his College Stats.
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Default Re: Official 2013 NBA Draft Thread - June 27, 2013, 7:00 PM EDT

For anyone that doesn't have somewhere to watch the Draft, like me, the Suns are gonna live stream it on their website.
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For anyone that doesn't have somewhere to watch the Draft, the Suns are live streaming it on their website.

Any chance you guys pick up Shabazz?
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If he falls, I don't see why not. I think the Blazers will pick him up with the 10th as a sixth man type of guy to boost their bench but if he falls to Boston, I can't see Danny passing him up. If we really go through with this rebuilding, then getting Shabazz would be great as he has one of the highest ceilings in the Draft.
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