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Old 06-23-2013, 01:36 AM   #31
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Default Re: Rings Aside, Who's better? Duncan or Malone?

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Sorry, I don't think you can put rings aside when talking about this. Duncan led his team to 4 championships. He clearly is better than Malone.

yes you can. basically hes asking who is more talented. Not who had more accomplishments or a better career
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Spurs legacy with Duncan is an all time great though

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Old 06-23-2013, 01:46 AM   #33
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Against today's defenses, he would be worse than durant during playoffs. There is a reason lebron had to shoot those jumpers to win this year. Top defense now are smarter and adapt way better. Most players from the 80/90s will have drop in their stats playing in today's league in postseason. Jordan is probably the only one from 80/90s who would post very similar stats from his championship runs. Magic and bird would both have drops in PPG and APG playing in today's league during postseason.
LOL... Malone would feast on today's post players. No way guys like Chandler, Marc Gasol and Hibbert stops him from averaging close to 28 ppg. Malone averaged 26-31 ppg during the big men era. You could argue that defenses today are "smarter" and adapt way better but a team with Malone can find ways to maximize his strengths and effectiveness. Pair him up with a great PG like Chris Paul and it will be lights out for the league. Pick and roll all day long.
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Default Re: Rings Aside, Who's better? Duncan or Malone?

Tough call, there's no correct answer really. Duncan has accomplished more but someone can tell me Malone is a better player and I wouldn't bat an eye.
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:24 AM   #35
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LOL... Malone would feast on today's post players. No way guys like Chandler, Marc Gasol and Hibbert stops him from averaging close to 28 ppg. Malone averaged 26-31 ppg during the big men era. You could argue that defenses today are "smarter" and adapt way better but a team with Malone can find ways to maximize his strengths and effectiveness. Pair him up with a great PG like Chris Paul and it will be lights out for the league. Pick and roll all day long.
it is called a weak big men era for the offense, not the defense but keep using those words and not watching the actual games. also, teams would not allow ball to get to him if he is the main threat.defenders like kawhi, paul george, lebron make it so hard for point guards to pass to big men freely. they also double team very well. He will do well in any era but he will surely not do any better than he did. there would be a defensive big man in Miami too if Malone or Hakeem played in the league. I have no idea why people think that players and teams would play the same way if there were more offensively gifted big men in the league. Guys like Dwight, hibbert, chandler would work even more during practice on defending against those post moves just like they work during practice at defending lebron from getting to the rim. Dwight is a pretty intelligent defender and would be an elite defender in an era of NBA.Same with hibbert and chandler. chandler and dwight were hurt this year which made them look worse. also, Miami allowed those pick and roll in later games as they were getting lit-up from 3 pt range otherwise duncan wasn't having a great series. even in later games of pacers series, miami made it a pain for pacers to get the ball to their big men. This is the Miami team that plays small. they would have been constructed differently if other contenders had prime hakeem or malone in their team. today's defense is a joy to watch and i sometimes am surprised how much they adjust from game to game and how complex the defense is.

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it is called a weak big men era for the offense, not the defense but keep using those words and not watching the actual games. also, teams would not allow ball to get to him if he is the main threat.defenders like kawhi, paul george, lebron make it so hard for point guards to pass to big men freely. they also double team very well. He will do well in any era but he will surely not do any better than he did. there would be a defensive big man in Miami too if Malone or Hakeem played in the league. I have no idea why people think that players and teams would play the same way if there were more offensively gifted big men in the league. Guys like Dwight, hibbert, chandler would work even more during practice on defending against those post moves just like they work during practice at defending lebron from getting to the rim. Dwight is a pretty intelligent defender and would be an elite defender in an era of NBA.Same with hibbert and chandler. chandler and dwight were hurt this year which made them look worse. also, Miami allowed those pick and roll in later games as they were getting lit-up from 3 pt range otherwise duncan wasn't having a great series. even in later games of pacers series, miami made it a pain for pacers to get the ball to their big men. This is the Miami team that plays small. they would have been constructed differently if other contenders had prime hakeem or malone in their team. today's defense is a joy to watch and i sometimes am surprised how much they adjust from game to game and how complex the defense is.
So do you think Malone would put up similar stats nowadays, or worse? Because if he's posting his MVP numbers nowadays he would be the 2nd best player in the NBA right now.

Also, most teams don't play defense like Miami. Most teams lack good defensive big men. The only defensive big men that I think are comparable to the big men of the 90s are Dwight and Chandler.

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Default Re: Rings Aside, Who's better? Duncan or Malone?

Scoring? Equal (Malone´s Play-Off Shooting % is 46%!)
FT Shooting? Malone
Mid Range? Malone
Post Skills & Game? Duncan
Rebounding? Duncan
Shot Blocking and Rim Protecting? Duncan
Post Defense? Duncan
Anchoring Defense? Duncan
Floor Defense and Steals? Malone
Passing? Malone
Finishing? Malone

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Default Re: Rings Aside, Who's better? Duncan or Malone?

i think malone would have been up in the top 3 of all time, if he had as many rings as duncan, because he was a better individual performer.
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Default Re: Rings Aside, Who's better? Duncan or Malone?

Duncan easily. id take kg and barkley over malone as well
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Default Re: Rings Aside, Who's better? Duncan or Malone?

Duncan, better all-round game with his brilliant defense and decent offensive game. Malone wasn't a great defender a lot of his career.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:40 PM   #41
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Default Re: Rings Aside, Who's better? Duncan or Malone?

H2H battles from Nov 1997 to Feb 2000

-1997/98 was Duncan's rookie season

-Karl Malone won the MVP in 1997 and 1999


1997-98

-If you exclude Duncan's first month in the league, it's pretty close

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Nov 8,1997 -> 8/13/2/4 vs 26/7/1/1

Nov 22,1997 -> 9/7/0/2 vs 20/11/7/1

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Feb 21,1998 -> 29/15/2/3 vs 24/13/1/1

Apr 8,1998 -> 34/7/5/1 vs 32/10/2/1

May 5,1998 -> 33/10/0/4 vs 25/8/4/1

May 7,1998 -> 26/5/3/1 vs 22/12/6/1

May 9,1998 -> 10/10/2/1 vs 18/5/2/1

May 10,1998 -> 22/6/1/0 vs 34/12/4/0

May 12,1998 -> 14/11/0/2 vs 24/13/3/2


Duncan 24.0 pt,9.1 rb,1.9 as,1.7 bl FG 51.2%

Malone 25.6 pt,10.4 rb,3.1 as,1.0 bl FG 43.0%


After Duncan's rookie season,it's over.

1998-99

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Feb 28,1999 -> 21/13/3/1 vs 30/7/2/1

Apr 20,1999 -> 36/10/1/7 vs 23/13/3/1

May 2,1999 -> 26/14/1/4 vs 24/14/3/2

Duncan 27.7 pt,12.3 rb,1.7 as,4.0 blk FG 56.5%

Malone 25.7 pt,11.3 rb,2.7 as,1.3 blk FG 49.1%

1999-00
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Nov 15,1999 -> 32/8/2/1 vs 20/11/3/0

Jan 10,2000 -> 46/14/2/1 vs 23/11/4/1

Feb 6,2000 -> 32/10/3/2 vs 25/6/6/2

Duncan 36.7 pt,10.7 rb,2.3 as,1.3 blk FG 53.3%

Malone 22.7 pt,9.3 rb,4.3 as,1.0 blk FG 40.4%

Don't be fooled by regular season stats.The Spurs were a slow-paced half court team and Duncan is simply obsessed with winning games and titles. Prime Duncan only recorded huge numbers when the Spurs were in trouble.

In the playoffs, his numbers skyrocket after the first round because the Spurs lacked firepower compared to the Lakers,Mavs,Suns...At the end of the day,Duncan wins the H2H battles without really trying,no matter who you are.


BTW,Malone's FG% dropped significantly when the playoffs arrived.I'd like to see Malone's ppg and FG% with a 100-year old-Terry Porter and a teenager Parker instead of John Stockton.

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1987 42.0%

1988 48.2%

1989 50.0%

1990 43.8%

1991 45.5%

1992 52.1%

1993 45.4%

1994 46.7%

1995 46.6%

1996 46.9%

1997 43.5%

1998 47.1%

1999 41.7%
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Lettuce be real though, if Malone didn't have to play Jordan every time he was in the finals, he would probably have two or at least one ring before he retired.

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Or you can say that Jordan was just really clutch?

Can you tell me why the Malone/Stockton Jazz didn't make the Finals the other 16 years they were together ? There's no Jordan in the Western Conference, so what gives ?

And if Jordan was just really clutch in the Finals when he faced the Jazz... what does that say about the other 16 teams that they faced every other year they didn't face the Bulls ? Were they just really clutch too ? Were they always the favourite to win ? Or is it just that Malone/Stockton and co... were just not that good enough come playoff time ?

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Defense - Duncan

Offense - Duncan

At least I'm not the only one who thinks so.

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Duncan is quickly becoming overrated.

Even if he is, he won't be as overrated as Malone is right now. This thread just proves my point on how many excuses this guy gets.
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