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Old 07-01-2013, 08:17 AM   #1
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Default 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/01...arizona-blaze/

My condolences to the family of the victims.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:30 AM   #2
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:07 PM   #3
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

It's very sad. I live in Prescott and so far it's having a huge effect on our community. Such a terrible tragedy.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:27 PM   #4
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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It's very sad. I live in Prescott and so far it's having a huge effect on our community. Such a terrible tragedy.


Was wondering if you were still in the area after school. Prescott Valley here. What a sad, sad day.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:30 PM   #5
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

How did this happen? 19? Shit.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:32 PM   #6
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How did this happen? 19? Shit.

Wildfire broke out rapidly. They sent in this hot shot team to fight it. Once inside the area the wind shifted and increased dramatically, trapping them inside the blaze.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:36 PM   #7
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Wildfire broke out rapidly. They sent in this hot shot team to fight it. Once inside the area the wind shifted and increased dramatically, trapping them inside the blaze.
Maybe I'm just being idealistic but you'd have to think that these guys don't go in without escape routes in mind for if something as simple as the wind changing direction happens. Someone must have fucked up here somewhere along the line.
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Old 07-01-2013, 01:52 PM   #8
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that is ****ing terrible
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:10 PM   #9
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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Maybe I'm just being idealistic but you'd have to think that these guys don't go in without escape routes in mind for if something as simple as the wind changing direction happens. Someone must have fucked up here somewhere along the line.

These wildfires are crazy unpredictable. Keep in mind the entire state is dry as a bone, and the entire landscape can ignite in a heartbeat.

A fire big enough to drop 19 specialists into is a big, uncontrolled blaze. The wind doesn't so much "change in direction" as completely shift, and can go from 0-60 in no time flat. There's no way to prepare, and their fire blankets apparently weren't enough for the inferno that erupted.

I live in the area, and we can be sitting outside on a calm day, only to have the wind storm through at 30+ mph for 20-30 minutes, Then right back to calm.
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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Maybe I'm just being idealistic but you'd have to think that these guys don't go in without escape routes in mind for if something as simple as the wind changing direction happens. Someone must have fucked up here somewhere along the line.

Maybe the problem is the special "Marines like" fire fighting unit that is specifically out there to tackle the most extreme, most dangerous fire situations regular fire fighters can't handle?

Seems like a silly concept to me. Not to diminish the plight of these 19 guys, they died horrificaly in an attempt to save lives.
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:40 PM   #11
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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These wildfires are crazy unpredictable. Keep in mind the entire state is dry as a bone, and the entire landscape can ignite in a heartbeat.

A fire big enough to drop 19 specialists into is a big, uncontrolled blaze. The wind doesn't so much "change in direction" as completely shift, and can go from 0-60 in no time flat. There's no way to prepare, and their fire blankets apparently weren't enough for the inferno that erupted.

I live in the area, and we can be sitting outside on a calm day, only to have the wind storm through at 30+ mph for 20-30 minutes, Then right back to calm.


I was out there in April and I remember thinking with how dry it was and how windy it got that a fire would spread in no time. So sad for the victims and their families.
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:56 PM   #12
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F*ckin terible.

Sad sad sad

RIP

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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

We haven't created a suit that can protect against fire yet?
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Default Re: 19 fire fighters killed battling arizona blaze.

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I was out there in April and I remember thinking with how dry it was and how windy it got that a fire would spread in no time. So sad for the victims and their families.

Yesterday afternoon was the first drop of rain we've seen since you were here. It lasted all of 5 minutes.
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Brb having no escape plan
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