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Old 07-19-2013, 12:56 PM   #31
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But didnt the police he was working with tell him not to follow the kid?

What police was he working with?

I mean, considering that all he talked to a dispatcher for the non emergency line. That wasn't an officer and most of the time, it is just a Call Center Rep. No different from when you call Comcast or Verizon.

And, from my personal experience, they tend to give out horrid suggestions.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:01 PM   #32
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But didnt the police he was working with tell him not to follow the kid?


( watching the trial...looking at the evidence)

GZ claimed that TM ran/skipped/hastly walked away from him.....GZ couldn't see TM anymore....

GZ was already otside of his vehicle when th dispatcher said " we don't need you to follow him".....so GZ walked down the sidewalk to see what address he was closest to ( so he could tell police when they arrived)

GZ didn't try to " go after TM" ...( according to GZ testimony / the missing 4 minutes TM had to go home



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to people saying Charles is a sellout.....when he played he was viewed as the opposite..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEHw4edZ98
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:02 PM   #33
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Yea, really, in the 90s Barkley made some blatant racist comments degarding black women proping up white women, so spare me the bull$hit. Barkley been a sell-out, do a little bit of research. Most black athletes are sell-outs as well, black people the only ethnicity that doesn't keep money in their own communities, $hit is sad.
You're a tool, and evidently one of those pathetic racists that Barkley was talking about.

To think marrying a white woman is 'selling out' - what a racist thing to say. It's like calling someone a choc ice: as if you should have an extra allegiance to ANYONE based on their skin colour alone. That is RACIST.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:03 PM   #34
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The trouble with this case is the system, and I think that is what has people so frustrated.

Actually, the only problem is ignorant people like you have no idea how the events occurred or how the law works.


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under the laws of Florida

actually GZ would be innocent in all 50 states as well as territories of the U.S.


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and his lawyers wove the story the right way.

If by that you mean the facts and evidence just happened to show Zimmerman was not guilty..




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-minorities once again getting f*cked by the system.

If you break the system, prepare to get butt-flustered by the system. Being a minority in the U.S. is no exception.

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will we ever get a fair shake'

The law is blind. The law is fair.


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GZ got out of his SUV.

He was out of the SUV at the time of the phone call.

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GZ was told by a dispatcher not to pursue.

Actually he was told to get out and find a street/house address. He didn't pursue, but instead walked towards the house. TM went in between houses and GZ walked towards the house. All the while, GZ could not see TM. Also, there is a difference between telling someone not to do something, and telling them they don't have to. Furthermore, dispatchers don't have any legal authority to give binding orders whatsoever.

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say that perhaps Trayvon Martin was 'standing his ground.'

No, you don't run away from somebody, then go back to their location and attack them, and then claim you were standing your ground.




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But most importantly TM died at the hands of GZ in a confrontation that GZ initiated.

No, GZ didn't begin the confrontation either colloquially or legally. GZ had every right to patrol that night, he was the neighborhood watch coordinator and there were numerous home invasions the week before. If he didn't patrol he wouldn't be doing his job. LEGALLY, it is whoever begins to act violently that is at fault. Even if GZ was following TM for miles, it wouldn't give TM the right to assault GZ. The testimony reflects that Martin started the fight. That the first blow, and thus the confrontation, started with MARTIN as the aggressor, not Zimmerman.


GZ getting out of his car is not an initiation of confrontation. Zimmerman following trayvon is not an initiation of confrontation.

Trayvon assaulting zimmerman is an initiation of confrontation.

GZ wasn't told not to pursue. GZ was in fact told to keep an eye on trayvon and relate to the dispatcher what he was doing. So when trayvon took off, Zim got out to keep a line of sight on him.

The dispatcher heard him get out and asked if he was following. Zimmerman says yes, and the dispatcher tells him he "doesn't need to do that". Please note- that as testified in the trial, dispatchers cannot give legally binding orders so they phrase their directives as suggestions.

Nevertheless, Zim says OK, and stops moving. Zim at this point has lost sight of trayvon, who now has ample time to return home, but instead goes back to confront and assault the "creepy ass cracka" who dared look into his behavior.


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A youth is dead, and no one is paying except the victim, and what's worse the victim is now the villain.


Martin started the fighting, Martin broke George's nose and was beating Zimmerman into the concrete (an action that can, in fact, kill someone by the way.) Does that sound like a victim to you?




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Its like the Amare suspension a couple of years ago, the letter of the law was followed when we should have focused more on the spirit of the law.

I'm more of a proponent of following the law, not following what you think the law means.

But the spirit of the law is that people have a right to defend themselves if they reasonably believe their life or bodily integrity is in danger.

The spirit and the letter of the law were followed consistently here. The spirit of the law is that innocent people should be able to defend themselves from violent predators. It worked.

The case never should have gone to trial. Under any rational explanation, Zimmerman is innocent. No minority was f*cked by the system. A thug attacked a man and died for being a thug.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:03 PM   #35
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White and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive.

So, you are saying Caucasians and Hispanics are the same? People from Mexico are the same as people from Norway?

Just because Hispanics in Miami get booked into jails as "white" doesn't mean they actually are Caucasian.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:03 PM   #36
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I saw the Larry Elder interview and he made himself look like a total f*ckin idiot..

he went piers morgan show and proceeded to meltdown.. It was sad

his conclusion is correct tho.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:04 PM   #37
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Default Re: Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

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( watching the trial...looking at the evidence)

GZ claimed that TM ran/skipped/hastly walked away from him.....GZ couldn't see TM anymore....

GZ was already otside of his vehicle when th dispatcher said " we don't need you to follow him".....so GZ walked down the sidewalk to see what address he was closest to ( so he could tell police when they arrived)

GZ didn't try to " go after TM" ...( according to GZ testimony / the missing 4 minutes TM had to go home

Even someone as dumb as GZ knows that TM wasn't going to be committing crimes at that point after he had been spotted and pursued.

He was indeed trying to go after TM at that point. It stopped being a matter of crime prevention.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:07 PM   #38
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It's impossible to see this "clearly", because it is an extremely murky situation. You're just happy and ready to drop a clapping smiley for any famous person that happens to agree with your stance.

I have yet to see anybody on either side of the fence in this debate who is completely objective and doesn't have other biases at work that are coloring their opinion, pun intended. You can tell by the tangential comments that make their way into the discussion.

Guilt has to be proven, Innocence is assumed. If guilt cant be proven, not guilty is the correct verdict. I cant see how anyone can say that Zimmerman for sure killed trayvon not in self defense. Also you cant say that zimmerman killed trayvon for sure in self defense but, 1 you dont have to and 2 the physical evidence supports zimmerman's account

not guilty is the correct verdict, is all i am saying. I am not saying Zim is a good person.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:10 PM   #39
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Default Re: Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

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Even someone as dumb as GZ knows that TM wasn't going to be committing crimes at that point after he had been spotted and pursued.

He was indeed trying to go after TM at that point. It stopped being a matter of crime prevention.


again...you could well be correct....I was trying to go by what the Justice system used ( as to why we got the not guilty verdict)

- IMO GZ most likley did follow TM....and saw him (on the phone) outside his Dad's / Girls house.....

- but no one knows except GZ and TM.....

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So, you are saying Caucasians and Hispanics are the same? People from Mexico are the same as people from Norway?

Just because Hispanics in Miami get booked into jails as "white" doesn't mean they actually are Caucasian.
I'm saying that there are Caucasian Hispanics. Zimmerman's father is Caucasian.
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I didn't follow this case but how do people know these "facts"? Especially since one guy who was there is alive and the other kid is dead lol
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I didn't follow this case but how do people know these "facts"? Especially since one guy who was there is alive and the other kid is dead lol


- and there is the problem....

- no one knows what happened.....all the court could use is what evidence they had....

- and according to the evidence/eye witness's.....1 person was on top.....1 person was on the bottom ( screaming for help....according to the eye witness)

there was not enough evidence either way of a conviction
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I'm saying that there are Caucasian Hispanics. Zimmerman's father is Caucasian.

Then there are Caucasian African Americans, Obama is one.

Obama is white. He is just as much white as he is black.
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Default Re: Charles Barkley: Zimmer was right to be acquitted

def not murky. Zimmerman was not guilty.
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Old 07-19-2013, 01:17 PM   #45
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- and there is the problem....

- no one knows what happened.....all the court could use is what evidence they had....

- and according to the evidence/eye witness's.....1 person was on top.....1 person was on the bottom ( screaming for help....according to the eye witness)

there was not enough evidence either way of a conviction

Kid's dead, and it wasn't 100% his fault. Guy who killed him wasn't 100% in the wrong.

Sticky wicket mi amigos, could argue this one till eternity.
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