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Old 08-25-2013, 02:31 PM   #1
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Default sure hope the US don't get involved in syria

better not fukking do it ...... .........which side are they dumb enough to support anyway

was iraq and afghanistan not more then enough !?........no more US casualties please
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:48 PM   #2
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Default Re: sure hope the US don't get involved in syria

It's a catch 22 for the Obama-admin. On one hand, his presidency has been all about pulling out troops (as well as droning the shit out of enemies and spying on the whole world), but on the other hand at some point the world may need to intervene in Syria (not just the US). But it's important for the US to stay true to it's word. Agreed that who exactly to support and to what extent is a difficult question.
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Default Re: sure hope the US don't get involved in syria

i rarely agree with you, but ya, removing assad is good, but his replacement will be just as bad as him in different ways. hopefully someone else takes care of this situation. Germany hasn't done anything in awhile, and they owe the world lol.
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:50 PM   #4
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Default Re: sure hope the US don't get involved in syria

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It's a catch 22 for the Obama-admin. On one hand, his presidency has been all about pulling out troops (as well as droning the shit out of enemies and spying on the whole world), but on the other hand at some point the world may need to intervene in Syria (not just the US). But it's important for the US to stay true to it's word. Agreed that who exactly to support and to what extent is a difficult question.

We never should have said using chemical weapons was a red line. Everybody knew we didnt want to get involved. It just made us look bad.
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Old 08-25-2013, 02:51 PM   #5
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They're already involved
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It's a catch 22 for the Obama-admin. On one hand, his presidency has been all about pulling out troops (as well as droning the shit out of enemies and spying on the whole world), but on the other hand at some point the world may need to intervene in Syria (not just the US). But it's important for the US to stay true to it's word. Agreed that who exactly to support and to what extent is a difficult question.


Why on earth would any country NEED to intervene in domestic counter-terrorism?
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Old 08-25-2013, 03:06 PM   #7
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We never should have said using chemical weapons was a red line. Everybody knew we didnt want to get involved. It just made us look bad.

From a humanitarian point of view and being head of probably the most powerful country, I think it was the right thing to say and message to send. My only beef is, much like this administrations history, it's empty talk. For instance, should have never said we were going to close G-Bay if it's never going to happen, etc. We have a president who's constantly in campaign-mode but really he's just a corporate puppet anyways. None the less, it's important to maintain some humanitarian standard, even if we're dragged into the mess. I'm sure it's not simple decision, and there's more politics, formalities, and bureaucratic BS than that.
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From a humanitarian point of view and being head of probably the most powerful country, I think it was the right thing to say and message to send. My only beef is, much like this administrations history, it's empty talk. For instance, should have never said we were going to close G-Bay if it's never going to happen, etc. We have a president who's constantly in campaign-mode but really he's just a corporate puppet anyways. None the less, it's important to maintain some humanitarian standard, even if we're dragged into the mess. I'm sure it's not simple decision, and there's more politics, formalities, and bureaucratic BS than that.

It was so obvious we weren't going to do anything that we shouldn't have said it. It just made us look bad once they used chemical weapons and we didnt do anything. We should have taken the moral high ground and strongly condemned Assad and tried to shame russia into restraining him.

relevant Facts about syria:

-Russia and China oppose intervention into Syria and the both support assad (russia strongly supports assad), both countries sell weapons to assad and russia has a naval base located in syria. Any intervention into syria would bring us into conflict with the russians.

-Despite being ruled by the assad family, which is a brutal dictatorship, His father also cracked down on civilians in 1989 if I remember right. The assad family have pursued a relatively peaceful foreign policy. They are not like Saddam who at least invaded kuwait. The Assads are more concerned about maintaining their own control rather than expansion. This is important to American and our ally Israel. For all the talk, Assad hasnt done much to Israel or the US.

- Syria is over 60% Sunni Muslim. Assad is leading a coalition of Alawites, Shia and christians. Assad is an alawite and the shia and christian believe (probably correctly) that a Sunni take over would be bad for them. Almost assuredly the sunni government that replaces assad will be more fundamentalist and take a harder line against Israel. (This is also why removing Saddam was a bad Idea. we should have used him as a puppet against Iranian control of Iraq which will likely happen as most of Iraq is Shia like Iran and Saddam would have suppressed the Shia and kept his Sunni in charge and Iran out.)

Its just not in our interests to expend the effort necessary to remove Assad. And if we do the Sunni will just butcher the alawites in revenge for decades of oppression the shia and christians will be in trouble too.
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There's oil there, we'll def be there.

But I'm sure we've already stirred things up a bit there and gotten the ball moving as is usually the case.
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Default Re: sure hope the US don't get involved in syria

Why not let the U.N. get involved. The U.S. should stay put. There are atrocities all over the world. These people pick and choose which ones to get involved in that will benefit them financially and politically. It's all about power.
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Default Re: sure hope the US don't get involved in syria

Obama

"If Syria uses chemical weapons, that will be a redline for the US."


Obama now-

"Well, uhh, I'm not sure if uhh, Syria ever used chemical weapons despite the hard evidence, and if so uhhh, I'm not sure the US should get involved in a uhhhh, regional conflict."



Obama is softer than Carta and Bubba. Bush and Reagan would have pushed their shit back already.
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