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Old 09-15-2013, 08:58 PM   #1501
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Cool. Would be awesome to see teams as stacked as possible next year. They're the favorite with Noah in my opinion. The guy is just amazing.

IMO Spain is the favorite if all teams are full strength, especially in front of a home crowd. Although I have trouble betting against Team USA in any circumstance especially since Durant and Love have already committed. France is definitely a contender for a medal at full strength though.

Spain has a great blend of players to take advantage of the FIBA rules. A full strength Spain would probably be something like this:
Calderon - Rubio - Rodriguez
Navarro - Llull
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Old 09-15-2013, 09:31 PM   #1502
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IMO Spain is the favorite if all teams are full strength, especially in front of a home crowd. Although I have trouble betting against Team USA in any circumstance especially since Durant and Love have already committed. France is definitely a contender for a medal at full strength though.

Spain has a great blend of players to take advantage of the FIBA rules. A full strength Spain would probably be something like this:
Calderon - Rubio - Rodriguez
Navarro - Llull
Fernandez - San Emeterio
Pau - Reyes- Claver
Marc - Ibaka

I haven't heard, but are Pau, Navarro and Ibaka expected to play at the 2014 WC? I figured it would be the last hurrah for Navarro and Pau. Man, a USA-Spain match in front of crazed Spanish fans next year has me pumped
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On Sunday:

Nemanja Nedovic outplayed Tony Parker and Serbia beat France 77-65 Sunday at the European basketball championship.

The win gave Serbia first place in Group E, with both teams having already qualified for the quarterfinals.

Nedovic, headed for the Golden State Warriors in the NBA, finished with 17 points and provided some of the highlights of the game. Parker, the San Antonio Spurs stars, was held to 10 points.

Earlier, Sacha Massot had a key block and a dunk late in the game to help give Belgium a 60-56 victory over Latvia that sent Ukraine into the quarterfinals.

-- Associated Press
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:30 AM   #1504
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I can't believe there's no video of Nedovic breaking Parker's ankles. FIBA didn't include it in top 5 or even game highlights...
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:51 AM   #1505
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IMO Spain is the favorite if all teams are full strength, especially in front of a home crowd. Although I have trouble betting against Team USA in any circumstance especially since Durant and Love have already committed. France is definitely a contender for a medal at full strength though.

Spain has a great blend of players to take advantage of the FIBA rules. A full strength Spain would probably be something like this:
Calderon - Rubio - Rodriguez
Navarro - Llull
Fernandez - San Emeterio
Pau - Reyes- Claver
Marc - Ibaka

Didn't even think about team USA, what the hell is wrong with me? If Pau, Ibaka and Navarro are going to play next year, I'd agree that Spain looks fantastic. I've read that Ibaka wasn't happy with his role on the team last year, and at least from what I've heard, he kinda doesn't want to play limited minutes. So I can see Ibaka not playing next year. I mean they won't bench Pau in maybe his last big tournament. No way Ibaka starts when both Gasols are playing.

Would like watching Ibaka next year though, it's hilarious when he's completely overreacting to fakes and stuff from less athletic crafty Euro guys around the rim, being used to all the NBA slashers going for highlight plays.
Don't know, this current Spanish squad plus Pau/Navarro against France with their players missing could be more close than people might think.

As a German, I still hope we get a wildcard. Wouldn't say this makes much sense, but would be cool to see Dirk one last time in a big tournament. While the team isn't really good at all, it's not as hopeless as it was a few years ago. Schröder/Schaffartzik/Günther wouldn't be a PG rotation any other team should be scared of, but it's still better than anything we've had during the medal runs in 2002 and 2005. And Pleiß playing like this year would be the best center Nowitzki ever played with in the national team, too. Put up like 10/10 on good efficiency. Yeah, we are that bad...we think Tibor Pleiß is awesome Benzing migh be the best second option I can remember since Dirk plays for Germany, too. They would be fun to watch at least.
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:17 AM   #1506
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Didn't even think about team USA, what the hell is wrong with me? If Pau, Ibaka and Navarro are going to play next year, I'd agree that Spain looks fantastic. I've read that Ibaka wasn't happy with his role on the team last year, and at least from what I've heard, he kinda doesn't want to play limited minutes. So I can see Ibaka not playing next year. I mean they won't bench Pau in maybe his last big tournament. No way Ibaka starts when both Gasols are playing.

Would like watching Ibaka next year though, it's hilarious when he's completely overreacting to fakes and stuff from less athletic crafty Euro guys around the rim, being used to all the NBA slashers going for highlight plays.
Don't know, this current Spanish squad plus Pau/Navarro against France with their players missing could be more close than people might think.

As a German, I still hope we get a wildcard. Wouldn't say this makes much sense, but would be cool to see Dirk one last time in a big tournament. While the team isn't really good at all, it's not as hopeless as it was a few years ago. Schröder/Schaffartzik/Günther wouldn't be a PG rotation any other team should be scared of, but it's still better than anything we've had during the medal runs in 2002 and 2005. And Pleiß playing like this year would be the best center Nowitzki ever played with in the national team, too. Put up like 10/10 on good efficiency. Yeah, we are that bad...we think Tibor Pleiß is awesome Benzing migh be the best second option I can remember since Dirk plays for Germany, too. They would be fun to watch at least.

How did you guys beat France?
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Old 09-16-2013, 05:26 AM   #1507
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How did you guys beat France?

Don't know, maybe they lowered the difficulty level?

I'd suppose France kinda underestimated them. It's not great or anyting, but still the second highest scoring team in the tournament, averaging 78 ppg.
Also one of the worst defenses, but France maybe really didn't expect this young team could drop 80 on them. Germany also outrebounded France 29 to 18. We could've made it to the next round with a bit smarter play, but would've been completely shut down by better teams getting serious. Not enough defense to grind out a close game against good opponents. With a wildcard and the missing NBA players, this could be a fun high scoring team to watch. Not a medal or anything, but entertaining for sure.
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Didn't even think about team USA, what the hell is wrong with me? If Pau, Ibaka and Navarro are going to play next year, I'd agree that Spain looks fantastic. I've read that Ibaka wasn't happy with his role on the team last year, and at least from what I've heard, he kinda doesn't want to play limited minutes. So I can see Ibaka not playing next year. I mean they won't bench Pau in maybe his last big tournament. No way Ibaka starts when both Gasols are playing.

Would like watching Ibaka next year though, it's hilarious when he's completely overreacting to fakes and stuff from less athletic crafty Euro guys around the rim, being used to all the NBA slashers going for highlight plays.
Don't know, this current Spanish squad plus Pau/Navarro against France with their players missing could be more close than people might think
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Ibaka would be crazy not to go, there is a huge debate about who should actually get the only naturalized player spot in spanish NT. Mirotic would be excellent fit in Spain to play along Marc and or Pau.

I really like France, but I don't see them as close to a full Spain as you claim... Pau and Ibaka/Mirotic would give a very good inside rotation (which is actually missing them), Navarro just brings to them one of most feared exterior threat to balance the whole thing. Actual Spain has good players, but Marc is the only reference and you can see them struggling too easily. Add Pau and Navarro plus a decent inside rotation and they are still the second best National team in the world.
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Ibaka would be crazy not to go, there is a huge debate about who should actually get the only naturalized player spot in spanish NT. Mirotic would be excellent fit in Spain to play along Marc and or Pau.

Don't know how this works...so both Mirotic and Ibaka isn't possible?
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Don't know how this works...so both Mirotic and Ibaka isn't possible?

yup

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I can't believe there's no video of Nedovic breaking Parker's ankles. FIBA didn't include it in top 5 or even game highlights...

is he the 'serbian derrick rose' kid?
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Hey guys,

Anyone got some good tips on the Croatia v Greece game? Whats at stake? Match ups? Who you think will win?

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Anyone got some good tips on the Croatia v Greece game? Whats at stake? Match ups? Who you think will win?

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If I'm not mistaken, Greece has to win and then hope that Italy beats Spain to advance. Matchup wise...Greece is a more talented team and better offensively. Croatia on the other hand is the best rebounding team of the tournament and only allowed 67 ppg so far. So I'd say it's going to be a tough game. If it's a slow grind out type of thing, I'd say Croatia has a chance. But if Greece can push it and attack the basket aggressively, they should win. Greece has the most talented individual player on the court in V-Span, but he's turnover prone and streaky. Still clearly the best player on both teams on a good day.

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If I'm not mistaken, Greece has to win and then hope that Italy beats Spain to advance. Matchup wise...Greece is a more talented team and better offensively. Croatia on the other hand is the best rebounding team of the tournament and only allowed 67 ppg so far. So I'd say it's going to be a tough game. If it's a slow grind out type of thing, I'd say Croatia has a chance. But if Greece can push it and attack the basket aggressively, they should win.


Thanks man.

Pulling for Croatia. Greece also only has 10 players and as you said Croatia is the best rebounding team in the tournament whilst Greece is one of the worst.
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Didn't even think about team USA, what the hell is wrong with me? If Pau, Ibaka and Navarro are going to play next year, I'd agree that Spain looks fantastic. I've read that Ibaka wasn't happy with his role on the team last year, and at least from what I've heard, he kinda doesn't want to play limited minutes. So I can see Ibaka not playing next year. I mean they won't bench Pau in maybe his last big tournament. No way Ibaka starts when both Gasols are playing.

Would like watching Ibaka next year though, it's hilarious when he's completely overreacting to fakes and stuff from less athletic crafty Euro guys around the rim, being used to all the NBA slashers going for highlight plays.
Don't know, this current Spanish squad plus Pau/Navarro against France with their players missing could be more close than people might think.

As a German, I still hope we get a wildcard. Wouldn't say this makes much sense, but would be cool to see Dirk one last time in a big tournament. While the team isn't really good at all, it's not as hopeless as it was a few years ago. Schröder/Schaffartzik/Günther wouldn't be a PG rotation any other team should be scared of, but it's still better than anything we've had during the medal runs in 2002 and 2005. And Pleiß playing like this year would be the best center Nowitzki ever played with in the national team, too. Put up like 10/10 on good efficiency. Yeah, we are that bad...we think Tibor Pleiß is awesome Benzing migh be the best second option I can remember since Dirk plays for Germany, too. They would be fun to watch at least.

Yeah, from what I read he wasn't happy about his role on the team. I don't think it was as much to do with Pau and Marc starting as it was Reyes getting important minutes ahead of him. Spain has a new coach so we'll have to see if he promises him a more prominent role.

As much as I'd like to see the Germans get a wildcard, there's so many good teams that will be contention - Brazil, Russia, Turkey, Canada, and possibly Greece. You've got to assume China will get one so it could be 2 European teams and 1 American or they might do 1 African, 1 European, and 1 American. A full strength German team could do some damage, no doubt.
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