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Old 09-04-2013, 10:15 AM   #31
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Equally important to speed/quickness in having a great first step is timing. It's the ability to move past your defender at the precise moment when they're off balance, between steps, on on their heels. MJ certainly had that talent.

Slower players can also have a great first step if their timing is excellent - think Larry Bird.

its that little hitch he does right before he explodes going right. that freezes his opponents for just a split second. more than enough time to blow by.
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:29 AM   #32
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Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....

MJs a better man defender, and he has superior 1 on 1 skills. So do Kobe and Melo.
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:50 AM   #33
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Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....

Lebron gets most of his speed in the open court when he gets a full head of steam. In the half court, there's nothing particularly remarkable about his first step, at least nothing so remarkable that someone with great lateral quickness like a Jordan/Kobe/Pippen couldn't stay in front of him.

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Old 09-04-2013, 10:59 AM   #34
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Hell no.

It's like the quickness and explosion of prime Wade. Combined witht he crafty, deceptive, skillful footwork of Kobe.

And of course by footwork of Kobe, I mean the skill set he patterned after MJ. Just using it as an analogy for all the ignorant, young bucks on ISH.

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In additional, the defender couldn't anticipated MJ's next moves which none of the great offensive player like kobe, tmac, iversion have such ability.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:01 AM   #35
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Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....

No version of Lebron would ever get past Jordan on a straight blow-by first step attempt. Like, ever. He may get an angle on him and then body him and bump him off and eventually complete a layup/dunk, but he is never going to just outright beat Jordan with his first step. Jordan had perhaps the quickest defensive feet in history for a guy over 6'4".

Also, lol @ this jackass eliteballer acting as if all the footage is sped up. Funny how only Jordan looks sped up - somehow the other players move normally, at the speed we would expect them to. Then he posts court level footage where so much of the action is obscured by players and where you can't get any real sense of distance covered versus time, separation from defenders etc. Just a true troll.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:11 AM   #36
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Perhaps that's it. You also rarely Wade explode off the triple threat position, he usually dribbles before he attacks, or he waits for a screen.

That's because of Wade's inferior skillset compared to Jordan, namely footwork and a standstill jumpshot.

You never have to worry about Wade just rising up from a standstill position, you can count how many times he's done it in a ten year career.

Because of this flaw in Wade's game the defender can always sag off, giving him that extra millisecond to recover.

Jordan was so deadly off a standstill jumper, that even when a defender would appear to sag off he'd be leaning his weight forward so that if need be he could contest the shot.

Put it this way

Derrick Rose's 3/4 court time is 3.05, Wade's is 3.08. I understand how quick young Jordan is, I'm sure we can all agree though that he was not quicker than DRose.

If Wade would have developed that ONE aspect of his game he would one a couple MVP's. Wade HAS to dribble to get rhythm for his jumpshot, that alone makes it so much easier for the defender.
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:56 PM   #37
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MJ's first step was so quick and opponents had to respect it....

they knew it was coming....and MJ would actually use it to attack and get his defender moving , then he would change his direction and thus.....

it was O...V....E...R......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJbNiXVfOJU
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:16 PM   #38
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No version of Lebron would ever get past Jordan on a straight blow-by first step attempt. Like, ever. He may get an angle on him and then body him and bump him off and eventually complete a layup/dunk, but he is never going to just outright beat Jordan with his first step. Jordan had perhaps the quickest defensive feet in history for a guy over 6'4".

Also, lol @ this jackass eliteballer acting as if all the footage is sped up. Funny how only Jordan looks sped up - somehow the other players move normally, at the speed we would expect them to. Then he posts court level footage where so much of the action is obscured by players and where you can't get any real sense of distance covered versus time, separation from defenders etc. Just a true troll.

I am not sure if you are serious... even if Jordan manages to hang on he will be way to overpowered by Lebrons size/strength for anything else to matter, hell he wont even need to blow by him, just back him down like a ragdoll.... see Jordan guarding Magic in 91 Finals to understand... Lebron is no Hakeem in the post, but his strength/size/athleticism is just way to much for any SF, especially a god damn 6'5-190 SG.... would be like backing down your little brother....

The outcome of a Lebron vs Jordan 1 on 1 matchup is an impossible tale to foretell, both have advantages.... thats all.... lets not derail the thread to much.

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Old 09-04-2013, 06:21 PM   #39
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Its not like MJ stays infront of Lebrons first step either, which is a first step (especially younger Cleveland Lebron's first step) that covers even more ground than MJ's.....
No, LeBron's first step has never been very impressive. Pre 2011 he was a lot quicker and explosive though.

MJ is more than likely staying in front of LeBron than the other way around. Hell, 34 year old decrepit Kobe who can't move laterally locked him up in the ASG.

Even at his quickest, LeBron's first step isn't on MJ / Wade / Kobe / Iverson level. He's more likely to rise or body you off him with his frame. Even then MJ still has the strength to compete.

I saw in 2011 LeBron's inability to blow by at times Omar Asik, Marion, Kidd and Taj Gibson. Couldn't even body Kidd or JJ Barrea. Then recently Boris Diaw, Kawhi Leonard.
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:02 PM   #41
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I am not sure if you are serious... even if Jordan manages to hang on he will be way to overpowered by Lebrons size/strength for anything else to matter, hell he wont even need to blow by him, just back him down like a ragdoll.... see Jordan guarding Magic in 91 Finals to understand... Lebron is no Hakeem in the post, but his strength/size/athleticism is just way to much for any SF, especially a god damn 6'5-190 SG.... would be like backing down your little brother....

The outcome of a Lebron vs Jordan 1 on 1 matchup is an impossible tale to foretell, both have advantages.... thats all.... lets not derail the thread to much.


This is how I know you don't know much about Jordan.

Many players including bigmen have pointed out Jordan's deceptive strength and how he is not easy to back down. Lebron ragdolling him
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:24 PM   #42
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No surprise you would pick a video with a horrible framerate...THIS is a more accurate depiction:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIPQZTBr0r0
wonder what kind of recreational league that white boy ehlo would have played in today
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:24 PM   #43
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MJ a ragdoll? WTF?
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Old 09-04-2013, 08:26 PM   #44
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No, LeBron's first step has never been very impressive. Pre 2011 he was a lot quicker and explosive though.

MJ is more than likely staying in front of LeBron than the other way around. Hell, 34 year old decrepit Kobe who can't move laterally locked him up in the ASG.

Even at his quickest, LeBron's first step isn't on MJ / Wade / Kobe / Iverson level. He's more likely to rise or body you off him with his frame. Even then MJ still has the strength to compete.

I saw in 2011 LeBron's inability to blow by at times Omar Asik, Marion, Kidd and Taj Gibson. Couldn't even body Kidd or JJ Barrea. Then recently Boris Diaw, Kawhi Leonard.

Lebron's first step is beyond pedestrian. he's got long strides and great top speed but acceleration is very mediocre. even in his prime he required a screen just to get to the hoop.

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Old 09-04-2013, 08:40 PM   #45
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wonder what kind of recreational league that white boy ehlo would have played in today
Probably in the same league this white boy is in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVkNA4B1OLI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH-amQVfD7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd11Q...?v=qJPS0Y996J4

Or maybe the mexican taco league with Romel Beck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj28VvPsjHk
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