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Old 09-04-2013, 11:32 PM   #31
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:06 AM   #32
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I have no idea as to what trb% and ast% are, and could care less. Using regular stats pts, rbs, asts

MJ
Regular season 30.1/ 6.2/ 5.3
Playoffs 33.4/ 6.4/ 5.7

Basically all MJ did was take more shots in the playoffs (25.1) than he did in the regular season (22.9). His rebounds and assists were for all intents and purposes the same.

Magic

Regular season 19.5/7.2/11.2
Playoffs 19.5/ 7.7/12.3

MJ didn't get any better in the playoffs any more than Magic did unless you count taking 2 more shots per game as the sole criterion for "getting better".

Magic also retired at age 31. Jordan's averages are through age 35. Jordan's playoff averages through age 30: 34.8 pts/6.7 reb/6.7 ast/2.4 stl/1.1 blk/51+% FG/58+% TS. And yes, even looking at the numbers you posted, averaging 3.3 more ppg on 2 extra shots is a BIG deal, especially in the postseason.
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:09 AM   #33
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MJs stats look better in the playoffs because he didn't get to the playoffs when he was on the wizards.
It's a blessing in disguise for Jordan die-hards like blandgar and oldschool
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Once again... TS% is pretty much meanlingless unless you compare it against the LEAGUE AVERAGE...

Please post Oscar's and West's LEAGUE AVERAGE TS% and compare them against MJ's and Kobe's...

I want to see the DIFFERENTIALS...
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Old 09-05-2013, 05:45 AM   #35
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Once again... TS% is pretty much meanlingless unless you compare it against the LEAGUE AVERAGE...

Please post Oscar's and West's LEAGUE AVERAGE TS% and compare them against MJ's and Kobe's...

I want to see the DIFFERENTIALS...
It was harder to score efficiently in West's and Oscar's era compared to Jordan's and Kobe's?
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Kobe is basically the lowest in nearly every category. You're trying to start a flame-war.
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Old 09-05-2013, 02:54 PM   #37
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West is my favorite. I'm not talking strictly about Finals, I'm even talking his dip in production play in the playoffs.

Oscar and Wilt, the fugazy / meaningless stat padders. If it wasn't for his 2 rings, LeBron would almost be in this category of loser too.

These numbers and stats tell me who pads in the regular season against average comp. Who balls consistently, no matter the condition. Even if they struggle to get their normal productivity (Kobe) ... he still at least provides it. Which takes mental toughness.

And then it tells me who RAISES their game on GOAT type shit when competition is better, and situations are more pressure filled. This is called the HEART gene. Superhero shit.

MJ and Mr Logo

GOATS gonna GOAT

Yeah, Kobe "still provides it"...yet, he's constantly shooting at mediocre/atrocious percentages in every Finals series and he's a constant liability whenever there's a do or die game. Heart/GOAT stuff my ass.
MJ's 5 of his 7 most prolific scoring series came at first rounds and another one in the ECS. None of them came in the ECF's, when the defenses were at their best. Where were his 40 ppg series against the Pistons? Where were his 55% FG series against them or against prime Knicks?
Even West's best series per season were rarely the Finals. Actually, only in 1969 were definitely the Finals his best series. Again, the "increased scoring" stats lack context, since West missed the Finals in his least productive postseasons (1961, 1967, 1974). Take these 3 postseasons away and the career average ppg increase is marginal (and I'm not sure if there's any increase at all if you adjust for mpg), usually followed by a decrease at shooting percentages.
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MJs stats look better in the playoffs because he didn't get to the playoffs when he was on the wizards.
It's a blessing in disguise for Jordan die-hards like blandgar and oldschool

The **** are you talking about? He was in the playoffs until he was 35 years old. So you're saying that because he didn't make the playoffs at age 39/40, which would have brought his numbers down, that that's still not a large enough sample, or enough playoff longevity to make a determination as to its worth? Nonsense.
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