Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
Yeah I think Kobe's defense makes a noticable difference...
I believe in RAPM as an accurate measure of defensive impact as much as I believe in Magic Johnson being a more impactful defensive player than Dennis Rodman for the entire decade of the 90s.
But you tout defensive rating all the time...yet Kobe's is only 1 point better than Dirk's for their playoff careers.
I mean...on your own stat alone you lose this. The Lakers defense that year was 4th in the league. The Mavs defense was 12th.
Do we really have to debate this now? You really can't just admit that Kobe had more help in 2010? That is really what this has come to. That we have to pretend that Dirk and Kobe had equal help?
So lets get this straight...the guy that puts up 27/8/3 on 64% TS with a 130 ortg and 105 drtg....somehow deserves blame.
Yet the guy that puts up 23/4/5 on 51% TS with a 99 ortg and 107 drtg...somehow won the series.
I want you to think about that for a second. You tout these defensive/offensive ratings all the time. Why are we ignoring them when it comes to the individual players?????? Dirk destroyed Kobe in offensive production...and actually found a way to best him on the metric you love to use to measure defense. And then you turn around and tell me the Mavs lost because of Dirk's defense? Absurd.
Stop acting like Kobe is prime KG/Duncan/Wallace back there on defense anchoring the paint. He's a guard that plays inconsistent defense that happens to be a solid man to man defender and average team defender.
Come back to reality please.
And to add to your problems. The only year from 01 through 13 that Dirk didn't have a better drtg than his team was in 12. Every other year Dirk either had the same or better drtg than his team. Kobe, on the other hand, had multiple years in which he had a worse drtg than his team.
And just so we are clear;
Regular season drtg;
Defensive win shares?
Dirk 50.9 in 1108 games played
Kobe 49.5 in 1239 games played
Defensive win shares?
Dirk 5.0 in 128 games played
Kobe 7.3 in 220 games played
Above win shares favor Dirk in case you can't do math.
Yep...lets continue to use a team defensive rating and ignore the individual metrics...while comparing individuals...ROFL