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Old 09-11-2013, 09:00 PM   #31
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I know a dude who refuses to eat bread. He's not even an organic eater like that but he goes off on how humans weren't meant to consume bread

I think it depends on the bread. I eat the shit that people eat in stores but I'm sure it's full of shit that you shouldn't be consuming.

Same with pasteurized dairy. I use some for my shake every morning and that's it. Makes me a bit plhegmy too so I don't drink nearly as much as I used to.

I get the farmers market/butcher shit only lifestyle and the paleo lifestyle. I had a paleo dude tell me that grains are the absolute worst since all disease come from gut inflammation which grains cause.

Lot of hot chicks at farmers markets too.

Paleo eating aint that bad though. You can still eat steak and lots of meat. Basically anything but grains.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:15 PM   #32
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My grandmother was black, consumed whole milk everyday (most blacks are lactose intolerant, but her gut health was G'ed up), and lived to be 92. She could have easily lived longer, but she succumbed early due to some medical malpractices.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:26 PM   #33
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I know a dude who refuses to eat bread. He's not even an organic eater like that but he goes off on how humans weren't meant to consume bread
hes actually fairly right. If you look at the advent of agriculture (i.e. grains) against the backdrop of human evolution, our GI isnt really designed for it. Its not as big a deal as all the freakout people are getting into over it (everyone is a celiac now), but its not complete bullshit.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:28 PM   #34
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And as far as the natural stuff goes, I don't think there's a more overplayed word in the food industry than "organic". You wanna talk about scams, paying twice as much for an organic version of a food is a full-on scam

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Old 09-11-2013, 09:34 PM   #35
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My grandmother was black, consumed whole milk everyday (most blacks are lactose intolerant, but her gut health was G'ed up), and lived to be 92. She could have easily lived longer, but she succumbed early due to some medical malpractices.
This isnt really true. Unless you mean African-American by black. There are tons of black populations in africa that are massive milk drinkers (look up the East African Cattle Complex). These populations have evolved with cattle as a huge part of their subsistence but hardly ever kill them for meat.
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I love the "organic" psychos who light up a cigarette after criticizing my piece of pizza.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:41 PM   #37
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It depends on what you mean. You should really look into the levels of pesticide residues on certain foods. We arent allowed to survey these fields when they have sprayed in the last week or so, but we can eat the residue? Our massive overdependence on pesticides and chemical fertilizers is impacting the entire gulf of mexico food chain - look at the dead zone around the delta). I worked in part of Ohio where you couldnt drink the tap water for over a month because of uncontrolled runoff of ag fields. Anything that helps us rethink our current ag system is ok by me.


Besides, organic isnt always more expensive. Many of the items in my grocery store in rural utah are the exact same price (or close enough), and I can buy way more produce at the farmers market for $10 than I can at the grocery store. You have to be smart about it. Dont buy a bunch of processed bullshit (organic or otherwise), but focus on the dirty dozen if you want to limit your pesticide exposure.

Chronic buildup is a legit health concern. Go back to kissing your own biceps blow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_residue
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They do irk me sometimes, but like all Dogma's it's only bothersome when they preach to you. People can eat whatever the fvck they want though, no skin off my back.
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Old 09-11-2013, 09:48 PM   #39
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It depends on what you mean. You should really look into the levels of pesticide residues on certain foods. We arent allowed to survey these fields when they have sprayed in the last week or so, but we can eat the residue? Our massive overdependence on pesticides and chemical fertilizers is impacting the entire gulf of mexico food chain - look at the dead zone around the delta). I worked in part of Ohio where you couldnt drink the tap water for over a month because of uncontrolled runoff of ag fields. Anything that helps us rethink our current ag system is ok by me.


Besides, organic isnt always more expensive. Many of the items in my grocery store in rural utah are the exact same price (or close enough), and I can buy way more produce at the farmers market for $10 than I can at the grocery store. You have to be smart about it. Dont buy a bunch of processed bullshit (organic or otherwise), but focus on the dirty dozen if you want to limit your pesticide exposure.

Chronic buildup is a legit health concern. Go back to kissing your own biceps blow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_residue

I know there's some legit organic stuff, but if you're just walking around at Giant Eagle or Wal Mart I just don't see that big of a difference. I was at the grocery store the other day and there's PAM spray for like $2.00, then next to it there's Organic PAM for $5.00. Knowing damn well the stuff was probably made about 2 feet away from the regular stuff.
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It depends on what you mean. You should really look into the levels of pesticide residues on certain foods. We arent allowed to survey these fields when they have sprayed in the last week or so, but we can eat the residue? Our massive overdependence on pesticides and chemical fertilizers is impacting the entire gulf of mexico food chain - look at the dead zone around the delta). I worked in part of Ohio where you couldnt drink the tap water for over a month because of uncontrolled runoff of ag fields. Anything that helps us rethink our current ag system is ok by me.


Besides, organic isnt always more expensive. Many of the items in my grocery store in rural utah are the exact same price (or close enough), and I can buy way more produce at the farmers market for $10 than I can at the grocery store. You have to be smart about it. Dont buy a bunch of processed bullshit (organic or otherwise), but focus on the dirty dozen if you want to limit your pesticide exposure.

Chronic buildup is a legit health concern. Go back to kissing your own biceps blow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesticide_residue

I meant that people go into stores expecting to buy "organic" fruits. I don't think they are much different from non-organic fruits.
I'm not talking about farmer's market where it's a great resource of organic fruits at great deals. My family and I go there once a fortnight on Saturdays (the event only shows up on Saturdays). I love the Farmer's Market because you're helping families and you can maybe haggle if you buy a good amount.

I do agree that we depend on pesticides way too much. United States need to find a way to promote more agricultural fields and less chemicals. I don't really have any good ideas, other than maybe to get prisoners helping to grow a field of crops or promote tax benefits with those who decided to work in agriculture.


Thanks for the link though on fruits and vegetables. My family mainly eats from the Dirty Dozen group, which concerns me a little bit.
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This isnt really true. Unless you mean African-American by black. There are tons of black populations in africa that are massive milk drinkers (look up the East African Cattle Complex). These populations have evolved with cattle as a huge part of their subsistence but hardly ever kill them for meat.

Yeah, if I remember right don't the Sudanese chug a mixture of cow blood and milk for some reason?
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I've accidentally sort of backed in to being vegan.

I was deliberately killing myself with food, no joke. I cut out soda last year, then any drink but water in April, caffeine in April, then super processed shit, breads/crackers, and meat at the end of July, gluten a few weeks ago (even though I have no sensitivity), then cheeses and whey protein a few days ago.

I don't necessarily buy organic, and I'm not anal about shit the way a vegan or vegetarian is, but I figure I've gone this far so I might as well continue until I hit the fitness goals I've set for myself.

I'm not preachy and won't rag on someone for their diet, but people that do really piss me off. Some bitch I know is 'vegetarian' and will only eat wild caught fish once in a while, preaches about it, but smoke cigarettes. Eat a dick.
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nope, what other people chew up and swallow does not bother me the slightest bit.
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I know a dude who refuses to eat bread. He's not even an organic eater like that but he goes off on how humans weren't meant to consume bread
bread is delicious poison, and that's not factoring in the pesticide / GMO angles.

it may be safe to have bread and equivalents a small proportion of the time, but if you eat such crap regularly, you're basically spreading inflammation across your body from my understanding of nutritional / medical science.


@boozehound,
i've seen some postulations in various papers that HSS may have indeed become healthily accustomed to grain intake after 10,000 years of agriculture. still i'm kind of skeptical that even punctuated equilibrium could have managed this feat.

even weighing evolutionary payoffs for such adaptive ability in the face of biochemical forcings, i can see many arguments either way... just as a layman-asshole on ISH. what think?
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bread is delicious poison, and that's not factoring in the pesticide / GMO angles.

it may be safe to have bread and equivalents a small proportion of the time, but if you eat such crap regularly, you're basically spreading inflammation across your body from my understanding of nutritional / medical science.

I know this, yet samidges are my favourite food. Also how am I supposed to eat eggs without toast.
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