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Old 09-12-2013, 02:01 PM   #76
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I asked you what you do for a living but didn't respond.
You seem pretty sure of your statements yet I've got to ask you, have you ever purchased raw material whey? Have you ever had to check quality control and put producers through the ringer in terms of following FDA guidelines on raw materials? Have you actually seen or examined the raw material?
You remind me of that scene in 300 where the Acadians wanted to join the fight. Leonidas asked the Acadians what they do for a living. None of them were actual soldiers.
What is my profession?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZzOWwoVdN4

Dymatize is a self manufacturing supplement company. Which means we personally inspect and qualify all raw materials that we use in our products. We have to check for impurities, GMP and international manufacturing practices on all our products. We purchase other raw materials from pharmaceutical grade companies. That is the standards we practice with.
To say all whey is pasteurized dairy is as ignorant as saying penicillin is just a mold.
If you have doubts about it you can always PM me an I can forward your inquiry to our in house scientist.
I'm an affiliate marketer and I do various jobs for a guitar pedal manufacturer. (accounting, shipping, advertising, promoting, market research... etc)

Will be attending university in January for personal endeavors.

I think you misinterpreted what I said, or didn't day... I don't think I ever implied that all whey is pasteurized dairy, or certainly didn't mean to. Obviously I am a proponent of Non-Denatured whey protein, which is sold commercially, but direct only a miniscule % of the sales and production. The majority of the whey protein on the market is pasteurized dairy, which is mainly what I was trying to imply, and that a large majority of the people who go out looking for a whey product, will find themselves purchasing one of those products which will probably do them more harm than good. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Old 09-12-2013, 02:09 PM   #77
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I hope you realize that Organic isn't some bullshit term that can be thrown around in the US. It's a legal binding contract for conditions under which the product was raised or grown.

I'm going to have to agree more with Harry here. Not saying you're wrong, and I can vouch for many companies that follow the more ethical approach. I can say that you're right, it is in fact legally binding, but there are loopholes you can get around and still be certified organic.
As for Harry, it's not as flimsy as you think, but you're right, there are companies that use this to promote their product in the loosest terms. but that's where it comes down to advertising and what certifications they use.

If a company uses this symbol on their labels:



You bet your ass that that products are 100% organic compliant. I work with a company called Himalaya Herbal Healthcare and to get this on your label you must be compliant to 100% of the organic guidelines. To show how serious this label means:
- you can't have water in your product as water isn't a certified organic product
- if the binders or filler make up 5% of the weight then it cannot be labelled organic even if the actual product is all organic (Himalaya is binded by the natural resins of the plant which can be claimed as organic)
- It cannot be manufactured in a container that has manufactured non-organic material

There are many companies who abuse the term organic, but if you have full certification, I guarantee those products are fully compliant
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Old 09-12-2013, 02:13 PM   #78
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I'm an affiliate marketer and I do various jobs for a guitar pedal manufacturer. (accounting, shipping, advertising, promoting, market research... etc)

Will be attending university in January for personal endeavors.

I think you misinterpreted what I said, or didn't day... I don't think I ever implied that all whey is pasteurized dairy, or certainly didn't mean to. Obviously I am a proponent of Non-Denatured whey protein, which is sold commercially, but direct only a miniscule % of the sales and production. The majority of the whey protein on the market is pasteurized dairy, which is mainly what I was trying to imply, and that a large majority of the people who go out looking for a whey product, will find themselves purchasing one of those products which will probably do them more harm than good. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Fair enough bud
I see where I misinterpreted you

And yes you are correct in that the vast majority is sold as pasteurized dairy and used for bigger commercial use. In our industry we purchase such a small percentage of it but filter it to come out with our end product.
The pasteurized whey you mention are bought in large commodities by companies like Nestle and Pepsi
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Old 09-12-2013, 05:03 PM   #79
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I try to eat healthy...

I don't know how much all of that other shit matters, but I do check out nutritional facts and have tried to go away from shit with no value. I think it's had a positive effect.

In fact, I encourage you all to do it as well. Eating isn't all about enjoying yourself, it's about giving your body the fuel to survive and perform at its optimal potential.

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Old 09-12-2013, 07:03 PM   #80
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Hateraid, I think a lot of the heat you're getting from the others is because of the way supp companies promote their products. You and B-Low are absolutely right. People who fully depend on the supp, thinking that it's the "magic bullet" while leaving everything else needed to attain/maintain a healthy body/self are nuts. Conversely, a lot of people think that way simply because that's how most supplements are advertised - magic bullets. Lose fat fast, get stronger instantly, and get bigger in 5 minutes, complete with before and after pictures where the guy obviously just flexes the shit out of his muscles and puts on his best "I don't give a flying ****" face, are commonplace in all the BB magazines/sites/etc. So I won't AND can't blame you, but I do have some unfavorable words for the ones who make those ads and actually let them slide for the public to see.

That aside, you guys still have the best whey I've ever tried, bar none (even if I don't use whey anymore).
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Old 09-13-2013, 12:20 AM   #81
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I'm real deal paleo, not that weak ass eating cooked meat BS. I eat raw meat with my bare hands like a real man. All you processed carb addicted fools who eat nothing but filler and can't stop eating toast are beyatches. The stuff I eat is bloody and all natural as hell, if wimps can't step their game up and wanna hate then fukk'um.

You're a fakkit bro. You're going to die... soon. Eating the most disgusting things you can find will give you another 5-10 years of arthritic, demented, incontinent life. I'll gladly eat delicious tasting food and drink yummy beer and be happy, instead of looking down on people for what they eat, like a typical north cali a-hole. Enjoy being a stereo-type brah.
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Old 09-13-2013, 01:14 AM   #82
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I was about to post the same thing. I guess that makes us granola-eating, tree-hugging, hypocrite p*ssies.
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Not trying to throw you specifically under the bus but this is exactly the attitude I get from alot of granolas.
You said you wanted to post the same thing, how did ALB manage to post it without being snarky about it? It's the people like ALB who I respect who live the life but not have to be overbearing about it.
well, he's probably talking about a somewhat different situation. like... it sounds like he's eating a smart diet and doesn't proselytise it, but is irked by those who target him anyway.

'that dude eats organic, so he must think he's hot shit. i'm gonna call him a granola, tree-hugging, hippie (with a sneer on my lips).'

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btw, is there anyone here who thinks that eating granola is actually a good idea? it's common form is a processed food full of sugars and preservatives, after all.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:08 AM   #83
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Hateraid, I think a lot of the heat you're getting from the others is because of the way supp companies promote their products. You and B-Low are absolutely right. People who fully depend on the supp, thinking that it's the "magic bullet" while leaving everything else needed to attain/maintain a healthy body/self are nuts. Conversely, a lot of people think that way simply because that's how most supplements are advertised - magic bullets. Lose fat fast, get stronger instantly, and get bigger in 5 minutes, complete with before and after pictures where the guy obviously just flexes the shit out of his muscles and puts on his best "I don't give a flying ****" face, are commonplace in all the BB magazines/sites/etc. So I won't AND can't blame you, but I do have some unfavorable words for the ones who make those ads and actually let them slide for the public to see.

That aside, you guys still have the best whey I've ever tried, bar none (even if I don't use whey anymore).

Thanks bud
I get why people are so against this industry. Since my days of being a store manager at GNC I've always try to convert the masses to investing into a healthier lifestyle. But they are so convinced of the ads that my personal advice was in one ear, out the other. Then they are the first to come back and try to return the product and declare this industry a sham.
I get it, ads give us a bad rep, but it is also asset to even get these people into stores. At least it gives the front line of our industry the change to try and educate those who are willing to listen.

If both the skeptics and the fanatics took the word "supplement" literally which is this (directly from the dictionary)
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1. Something added to complete a thing, make up for a deficiency, or extend or strengthen the whole.
Then maybe everyone would have a clear understanding of what this industry is truly about and those sinister ads would be harmless
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:35 AM   #84
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well, he's probably talking about a somewhat different situation. like... it sounds like he's eating a smart diet and doesn't proselytise it, but is irked by those who target him anyway.

'that dude eats organic, so he must think he's hot shit. i'm gonna call him a granola, tree-hugging, hippie (with a sneer on my lips).'

...

btw, is there anyone here who thinks that eating granola is actually a good idea? it's common form is a processed food full of sugars and preservatives, after all.
right, you came in with a disparaging attitude towards people who eat like this. You cant expect them to not respond with some snark or defensive animosity. Or in a somewhat apologetic way (like ALB).

Think about it like this. If someone started a thread "Do these "asian american" folk really bug you?" or something like that, you are not going to come in with a neutral approach. If the thread title was "what do people think about eating all natural", you would get a more neutral tone. Its all how you word the question/thread title

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Old 09-13-2013, 11:36 AM   #85
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No one's reading any of that bro.

Ha, I read all of that bro.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:38 AM   #86
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If a company uses this symbol on their labels:




That's precisely what I was talking about. If you have only basic knowledge you know that is the only symbol that matters. Apparently Harry is trusting whatever people tell him or write on their package.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:45 AM   #87
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right, you came in with a disparaging attitude towards people who eat like this. You cant expect them to not respond with some snark or defensive animosity. Or in a somewhat apologetic way (like ALB).

Fair enough, I guess when anyone feels backed into a corner it's either fight or flight

My apologies to bankshot for taking that approach

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Old 09-14-2013, 11:18 AM   #88
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That's precisely what I was talking about. If you have only basic knowledge you know that is the only symbol that matters. Apparently Harry is trusting whatever people tell him or write on their package.

It is a certification that is 100% upheld to the very highest standards. I work internally with a couple of companies who have this logo on their labels and there is 100% compliance
But in Harry's defense there are alot of companies who claim organic through various loopholes.
For example there's this wine company in California who says organic wine on the label. The wine itself is not made from organic grapes, but the rubber that presses it is organic material.
That may be a little extreme of an example but there are many companies who use that approach
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Apparently Harry is trusting whatever people tell him or write on their package.

I have no idea why you would think that. I rarely look at packaging in supermarkets, the only time when it really matters is if a reg and low-fat item have similar packaging.
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I have no idea why you would think that. I rarely look at packaging in supermarkets, the only time when it really matters is if a reg and low-fat item have similar packaging.
wait... what? you're saying there's yet another 'conspiracy' afoot, and we all need to firebomb (or ignore) the FDA?
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