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Old 09-16-2013, 06:58 AM   #16
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I would try to debate it had you any knowledge or understanding of what makes a movie greater. Beause if you knew anything you would not be dismissing works by directors like Bunuel, Hitchcock, Kubrick and Ford, just to name a few, trying to sound like you know WTF you are talking about. I know you like to look hip and keep up with the times and shit, you are probably past your 20s but never matured as you aged so you feel insecure about the unfamiliar numbers you have to get used to. So Do me a favor and try to be less of a fool and stick to stuff you actually know something about.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:34 AM   #17
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Are you suggesting that Discovery channel now > Discovery channel 10 years ago?
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:56 AM   #18
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how are movies now overall better than past movies ? is it because of the special effects ? lol .. some of the best movies are not from this era
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Old 09-16-2013, 11:32 AM   #20
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I would try to debate it had you any knowledge or understanding of what makes a movie greater. Beause if you knew anything you would not be dismissing works by directors like Bunuel, Hitchcock, Kubrick and Ford, just to name a few, trying to sound like you know WTF you are talking about. I know you like to look hip and keep up with the times and shit, you are probably past your 20s but never matured as you aged so you feel insecure about the unfamiliar numbers you have to get used to. So Do me a favor and try to be less of a fool and stick to stuff you actually know something about.



Acting all across the board in past eras was shitty. Even in many of the great films the acting wasn't as good as today's acting (again… overall). Aside from a handful of method actors in the late 60s and 70s it was mostly Europeasn conventional actors. It's as if they're on stage at times, stage acting doesn't translate into screen. Cinema was filled with tons of B movies, Westerns and shitty films overall in the 50s and 60s. Let us not pretend as tho they were all cinematic masterpieces.

Storytelling techniques have only improved and evolved. And even while there is some lack of originality almost everything else is built upon past eras. Take away special effects and concentrate on films that don't have that and you'll see how things have evolved.

If you want to dive into this I'll be more than engage, name dropping doesn't make you any sort of expert or connoisseur.

As I mentioned before, compare the best with the best, the average with the average and the bad with the bad, you'll see how things have evolved overall. YOu'll see how films like Spring Breakers will shit all over films by Gidget and the f*ckin Monkees. Oh what, you forgot those existed?

Storytelling and writing techniques have advanced, they combine multiple elements and genres more than ever before, and boxy dialogues have become more realistic and intricate. You have commercials that rival and better films great films shot in past eras. Some damn near pieces of art compared to some films from the past. Some of it has to do with technological advancements that make it easier for productions of course, but alot of it is building upon a foundations set.

YOu have tv shows today that will SHIT on top films from past eras. From music, cinematography, directing, acting, writing etc.etc. Band of Brothers is >>> >than 98% of the war films shot in the past.

Sopranos alone is superior than all but perhaps 2 gangster movies
Same goes for the Wire>>> all but perhaps 2 urban films

Storytellng, production, acting, etc.etc. have advanced

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Old 09-16-2013, 12:12 PM   #21
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Acting all across the board in past eras was shitty. Even in many of the great films the acting wasn't as good as today's acting (again… overall). Aside from a handful of method actors in the late 60s and 70s it was mostly Europeasn conventional actors. It's as if they're on stage at times, stage acting doesn't translate into screen. Cinema was filled with tons of B movies, Westerns and shitty films overall in the 50s and 60s. Let us not pretend as tho they were all cinematic masterpieces.

Storytelling techniques have only improved and evolved. And even while there is some lack of originality almost everything else is built upon past eras. Take away special effects and concentrate on films that don't have that and you'll see how things have evolved.

If you want to dive into this I'll be more than engage, name dropping doesn't make you any sort of expert or connoisseur.

As I mentioned before, compare the best with the best, the average with the average and the bad with the bad, you'll see how things have evolved overall. YOu'll see how films like Spring Breakers will shit all over films by Gidget and the f*ckin Monkees. Oh what, you forgot those existed?

Storytelling and writing techniques have advanced, they combine multiple elements and genres more than ever before, and boxy dialogues have become more realistic and intricate. You have commercials that rival and better films great films shot in past eras. Some damn near pieces of art compared to some films from the past. Some of it has to do with technological advancements that make it easier for productions of course, but alot of it is building upon a foundations set.

YOu have tv shows today that will SHIT on top films from past eras. From music, cinematography, directing, acting, writing etc.etc. Band of Brothers is >>> >than 98% of the war films shot in the past.

Sopranos alone is superior than all but perhaps 2 gangster movies
Same goes for the Wire>>> all but perhaps 2 urban films

Storytellng, production, acting, etc.etc. have advanced

So much fail in this post.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:35 PM   #22
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So much fail in this post.
And you nor anybody else has backed shit up.

Back it up or Keep it moving.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:38 PM   #23
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They don't make Westerns like they used to.
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Old 09-16-2013, 12:55 PM   #24
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Acting all across the board in past eras was shitty. Even in many of the great films the acting wasn't as good as today's acting (again… overall). Aside from a handful of method actors in the late 60s and 70s it was mostly Europeasn conventional actors. It's as if they're on stage at times, stage acting doesn't translate into screen. Cinema was filled with tons of B movies, Westerns and shitty films overall in the 50s and 60s. Let us not pretend as tho they were all cinematic masterpieces.

Storytelling techniques have only improved and evolved. And even while there is some lack of originality almost everything else is built upon past eras. Take away special effects and concentrate on films that don't have that and you'll see how things have evolved.

If you want to dive into this I'll be more than engage, name dropping doesn't make you any sort of expert or connoisseur.

As I mentioned before, compare the best with the best, the average with the average and the bad with the bad, you'll see how things have evolved overall. YOu'll see how films like Spring Breakers will shit all over films by Gidget and the f*ckin Monkees. Oh what, you forgot those existed?

Storytelling and writing techniques have advanced, they combine multiple elements and genres more than ever before, and boxy dialogues have become more realistic and intricate. You have commercials that rival and better films great films shot in past eras. Some damn near pieces of art compared to some films from the past. Some of it has to do with technological advancements that make it easier for productions of course, but alot of it is building upon a foundations set.

YOu have tv shows today that will SHIT on top films from past eras. From music, cinematography, directing, acting, writing etc.etc. Band of Brothers is >>> >than 98% of the war films shot in the past.

Sopranos alone is superior than all but perhaps 2 gangster movies
Same goes for the Wire>>> all but perhaps 2 urban films

Storytellng, production, acting, etc.etc. have advanced

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Acting all across the board in past eras was shitty.

I completely disagree. Most old-timey legends were great actors, and had something very important and very lacking in today's stars, called charisma. Most of them had a presence that filled the screen pretty much regardless of the film in question. Most of today's actors are average or downright bad, except for some good ones, and a few exceptional ones (all of this imho). Of course I don't think the actor himself is as important as the director, but classic directors were also superior for the most part, which directly translated in their actors' performances.

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Storytelling techniques have only improved and evolved. And even while there is some lack of originality almost everything else is built upon past eras. Take away special effects and concentrate on films that don't have that and you'll see how things have evolved.

Can you be more specific? How exactly have they improved and evolved? Pretty much everything you see today has already been done before and, more often than not, better, excluding SFX.

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Storytelling and writing techniques have advanced, they combine multiple elements and genres more than ever before, and boxy dialogues have become more realistic and intricate. You have commercials that rival and better films great films shot in past eras. Some damn near pieces of art compared to some films from the past. Some of it has to do with technological advancements that make it easier for productions of course, but alot of it is building upon a foundations set.

Again, specifics or GTFO. I've seen you dropping vague terminology quite often before in many different threads. Come and tell me how storytelling and techniques have advanced. Do you really think dialogues are more meaningful and intricate in today's era? Maybe more realistic in some instances, I'll give you that.

Classic cinema drew heavily from theatre, both in writing and acting terms, but I'd say classic films have, generally speaking, way more depth and meaning to them than most of the films that come out today. Most of what I see is aimed at a wide audience, a one that doesn't like thinking too much and only wants to be entertained. I'm ok with that, but as an art form, I'd say cinema has generally devolved. Again, there are notable exceptions every year, I'm not saying it's all garbage these days, but an overwhelming majority is.

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You have commercials that rival and better films great films shot in past eras
If you really believe that, then I don't know what to say to you.

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YOu have tv shows today that will SHIT on top films from past eras. From music, cinematography, directing, acting, writing etc.etc. Band of Brothers is >>> >than 98% of the war films shot in the past.

Sopranos alone is superior than all but perhaps 2 gangster movies
Same goes for the Wire>>> all but perhaps 2 urban films

This is not even worth commenting on.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:00 PM   #25
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Current video games >>>>
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:15 PM   #26
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Ja Rule is definitely > Drake. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgtjkHugoY

Rap was overall better in the 90's and early 2000's, but I personally like J Cole even more than someone like Biggie, and almost as much as Nas and Pac.

Miley Cyrus > Elvis Presley. jk

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Old 09-16-2013, 04:20 PM   #27
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Current video games >>>>
The problem most people have with today's games is that they are too easy and hold your hand too much and have too many cut scenes in the name of storytelling(which is worse than most mediocre movies) which that is true for most of the games but they are being made for kids or for people who get to play the game for not more than an hour a day. Adults with jobs have lesser time to play video game for hours.

Hardcore gamers still get plenty of difficult games on PC and in great numbers too so both type of gamers have a choice.

The only thing that was way better in the past was music and i don't think any one will disagree about that.
TV is definitely better if you know what to watch and movies are a little worse.
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Old 09-16-2013, 04:29 PM   #28
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if you're talking about popular movies you're out your damn mind.

Maybe indie shit, but I dunno. Movies are so bad now.

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Old 09-16-2013, 07:48 PM   #29
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The problem is everyone wants to have a hipster mentality so they "sound smarter". They'll always so older or obscure forms of whatever you're talking about is better so they sound like they have more knowledge past the current whatever that's popular. At the same time however they'll sometimes do it to fit in or don't "sound dumb". I mean lets be serious here, most people say Tupac is the greatest rapper because that's what they're told and it's the normal opinion, not because they actually think he is. They don't want to "sound dumb" saying what they actually think.
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Old 09-16-2013, 08:27 PM   #30
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... But as evidence that some of us aren't nostalgic for the sake of not letting go of the past, I will say this:

Current television>>>> past eras

By current I mean new generation 2K on.

I'll even take it a step further….

Movies today>>> past eras ...
you gotta be joking in terms of movies. if anything, other than indy and international, hollywood has been in decline for decades. i have rarely seen a bigger collection of steaming horse shit than modern american movies.


but i'll give you television, i'll give you eyes of blue... but don't forget-- people here seem to think some of the greatest masterpieces of TV didn't exist because it happened before they were children.

M*A*S*H
i love lucy
all in the family
faulty towers
twin peaks
roots
shogun
smothers brothers
kids in the hall
monty python
etc etc

AFAIK all came BEFORE seinfeld.

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