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Old 09-18-2013, 05:56 AM   #31
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We also need to factor in how much he's asked to do on a daily basis. The consistent defensive effort, awareness, and overall performance from a player with his all-around level of responsibility for what happens on the court is arguably even more impressive than the work of a defensive specialist (although they too probably don't get enough credit). It shows a rare level of commitment and focus.

You have to keep in mind that we're talking about a player who's oftentimes tasked with winning the game by himself, on all fronts - and gets crucified if he doesn't.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:10 AM   #32
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It was absolutely ridiculous he got put at #2.

When he needs to be he's the best defender of pg's in the nba and an elite guarder of 2's, 3's and 4's, but throughout the course of last season he took so many possessions off and rarely guarded the other teams best offensive player for long stretches.
This is just a fact of having to play 35+mins and be the best scorer, playmaker and defender on the team (and also a fact of being up by 20 in the second quarter so often).

He n no way deserved to be that high.
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:46 AM   #33
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top 5 defender in the league. I think he deserves to finish 2nd
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:03 AM   #34
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Guys like Tony Allen and Jimmy Butler may be consistently defending better, but that doesn't mean they are better defenders. Lebron is asked to do everything for his team. I don't think a lot of you guys realize what that's like on a basketball court. Dude makes all the plays, gets the big buckets and defends the best players when it's go time. Of course they're going to put Battier on great players as well to take some pressure off of Lebron. That's a luxury the Heat have. That doesn't take anything away from his defensive capabilities, nor the fact that he's the best defensive and offensive player on the best team in the league.

So in the end it's just what you're looking for the in the award. If you want to reward someone for being an awesome defensive player who puts all his hustle and energy into being that, a guy like Noah or Tony Allen would be a good choice. If you look at the broader picture, I think Lebron is not at all out of place at #2.
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Old 09-18-2013, 07:35 AM   #35
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Jeff needs to bring back the rep system. I am gonna rep raprap and the return.
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:37 AM   #36
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Actually, Lebron was not just 2nd in DPOY voting.

He had the most first team all-nba votes from the coaches. Which in a way makes him the DPOY of the year in the coaches eyes.

U mad?
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Old 09-18-2013, 09:43 AM   #37
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He had the most first team all-nba votes from the coaches. Which in a way makes him the DPOY of the year in the coaches eyes.
Considering there are 2 spots for forwards and one spot for centers, this is skewed

Lebron, and most perimeter players, don't have the defensive impact of elite defensive big men. I thought the Pacers series was a nice microcosm of this. The way Hibbert intimidated driving lanes and protected the rim is invaluable.

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Old 09-18-2013, 09:53 AM   #38
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top 5 defender in the league. I think he deserves to finish 2nd

It's not "Who's the best defender in the league" it's "Who played the best defence of the season." If it were the former, then it would be given to Dwight at the start of the year.

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Old 09-18-2013, 04:55 PM   #39
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Lol @ people asking me to name 20 better defenders than LeBron? Are you all that stupid or just brainwashed by the media? I shouldnt have to list them but here I'll go for it.

(in no order, all just better than LeBron)

1. Tim Duncan
2. Marc Gasol
3. Jokaim Noah
4. Roy Hibbert
5. Larry Sanders
6. Serge Ibaka
7. Dwight Howard
8. Tyson Chandler
9. Paul George
10. Tony Allen
11. Avery Bradley
12. Luol Deng
13. Andre Igoudala
14. Mike Conley
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Shane Battier
17. Iman Shumpert
18. Kawhi Leonard
19. Jimmy Butler
20. Kevin Durant

Seriously wasnt that hard.

The media is so stupid I bet if you asked them who routinely gets more blocks, KD or LeBron that 90% of them wager that LeBron does.

Seriously, look at the PER difference between KD and LeBron, this is what they allow:

Kevin Durant allows a 10.5 PER for SF's and a 13.4 PER for PF's.

LeBron James allows a 12.7 PER for SF's and a 17.2 PER for PF's.

KD does this on more minutes, plus he gets more blocks, and draws more charges. He also doesn't routinely guard the other teams worst player. I don't know why no one ever points this out with LeBron.

I don't see everyone acting like KD is a lockdown defender or voting him ridiculously high for DPOY. I've seen dipshits act like LeBron is better equipped to guard PF's than KD when nothing indicates that whatsoever. Look at Marc Gasol during the playoffs this past year. As soon as Scott Brooks put KD on him, Gasol went from destroying OKC to doing virutally nothing.

Am I saying that KD deserves a mention in DPOY? No. Neither does LeBron. It's ridiculous how overrated LeBrons defense is. He wasn't even that good on that end last year compared to some of the top defenders and in the playoffs he got significantly worse.
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:08 PM   #40
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Lol @ people asking me to name 20 better defenders than LeBron? Are you all that stupid or just brainwashed by the media? I shouldnt have to list them but here I'll go for it.

(in no order, all just better than LeBron)

1. Tim Duncan
2. Marc Gasol
3. Jokaim Noah
4. Roy Hibbert
5. Larry Sanders
6. Serge Ibaka
7. Dwight Howard
8. Tyson Chandler
9. Paul George
10. Tony Allen
11. Avery Bradley
12. Luol Deng
13. Andre Igoudala
14. Mike Conley
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Shane Battier
17. Iman Shumpert
18. Kawhi Leonard
19. Jimmy Butler
20. Kevin Durant

Seriously wasnt that hard.

The media is so stupid I bet if you asked them who routinely gets more blocks, KD or LeBron that 90% of them wager that LeBron does.

Seriously, look at the PER difference between KD and LeBron, this is what they allow:

Kevin Durant allows a 10.5 PER for SF's and a 13.4 PER for PF's.

LeBron James allows a 12.7 PER for SF's and a 17.2 PER for PF's.

KD does this on more minutes, plus he gets more blocks, and draws more charges. He also doesn't routinely guard the other teams worst player. I don't know why no one ever points this out with LeBron.

I don't see everyone acting like KD is a lockdown defender or voting him ridiculously high for DPOY. I've seen dipshits act like LeBron is better equipped to guard PF's than KD when nothing indicates that whatsoever. Look at Marc Gasol during the playoffs this past year. As soon as Scott Brooks put KD on him, Gasol went from destroying OKC to doing virutally nothing.

Am I saying that KD deserves a mention in DPOY? No. Neither does LeBron. It's ridiculous how overrated LeBrons defense is. He wasn't even that good on that end last year compared to some of the top defenders and in the playoffs he got significantly worse.

I agree with most of those but take off Ibaka, he's a scrub defender who just specializes in weak side blocks. He's interior D is terrible.
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Old 09-18-2013, 05:48 PM   #41
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Lol @ people asking me to name 20 better defenders than LeBron? Are you all that stupid or just brainwashed by the media? I shouldnt have to list them but here I'll go for it.

(in no order, all just better than LeBron)

1. Tim Duncan
2. Marc Gasol
3. Jokaim Noah
4. Roy Hibbert
5. Larry Sanders
6. Serge Ibaka
7. Dwight Howard
8. Tyson Chandler
9. Paul George
10. Tony Allen
11. Avery Bradley
12. Luol Deng
13. Andre Igoudala
14. Mike Conley
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Shane Battier
17. Iman Shumpert
18. Kawhi Leonard
19. Jimmy Butler
20. Kevin Durant

Seriously wasnt that hard.

The media is so stupid I bet if you asked them who routinely gets more blocks, KD or LeBron that 90% of them wager that LeBron does.

Seriously, look at the PER difference between KD and LeBron, this is what they allow:

Kevin Durant allows a 10.5 PER for SF's and a 13.4 PER for PF's.

LeBron James allows a 12.7 PER for SF's and a 17.2 PER for PF's.

KD does this on more minutes, plus he gets more blocks, and draws more charges. He also doesn't routinely guard the other teams worst player. I don't know why no one ever points this out with LeBron.

I don't see everyone acting like KD is a lockdown defender or voting him ridiculously high for DPOY. I've seen dipshits act like LeBron is better equipped to guard PF's than KD when nothing indicates that whatsoever. Look at Marc Gasol during the playoffs this past year. As soon as Scott Brooks put KD on him, Gasol went from destroying OKC to doing virutally nothing.

Am I saying that KD deserves a mention in DPOY? No. Neither does LeBron. It's ridiculous how overrated LeBrons defense is. He wasn't even that good on that end last year compared to some of the top defenders and in the playoffs he got significantly worse.

Post with your real account you F*cking douchebag. NBA Coaches Votes >>>>> $hitty Basketball IQ.

Keep trolling amigos!!!
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Old 09-18-2013, 08:57 PM   #42
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lmao, take off the homer shades. Take LeBrons cox out of your mouth.

Funny how your account was made in 2007 and you went from being a CLE fan to a Heat fan

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Old 09-18-2013, 08:59 PM   #43
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I agree with most of those but take off Ibaka, he's a scrub defender who just specializes in weak side blocks. He's interior D is terrible.

Elite rim protector/poor on ball defender >>>>>>>>>> Elite help defender/poor on ball defender
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Old 09-19-2013, 01:38 AM   #44
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Watch some games son. NBA Coaches >>>> your $Hitty Opinion. Lebron is a great team defender, and he also blocked Duncan, Hibbert, and splitter in the playoffs.


Ohhhh noooo he blocked Splitter. He deserves that then. Guess Nate Robinson deserves some votes too because he's blocked Yao and LeBron in his lifetime.
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Old 09-19-2013, 04:02 AM   #45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by russwest0
Lol @ people asking me to name 20 better defenders than LeBron? Are you all that stupid or just brainwashed by the media? I shouldnt have to list them but here I'll go for it.

(in no order, all just better than LeBron)

1. Tim Duncan
2. Marc Gasol
3. Jokaim Noah
4. Roy Hibbert
5. Larry Sanders
6. Serge Ibaka
7. Dwight Howard
8. Tyson Chandler
9. Paul George
10. Tony Allen
11. Avery Bradley
12. Luol Deng
13. Andre Igoudala
14. Mike Conley
15. Dwyane Wade
16. Shane Battier
17. Iman Shumpert
18. Kawhi Leonard
19. Jimmy Butler
20. Kevin Durant

Seriously wasnt that hard.

The media is so stupid I bet if you asked them who routinely gets more blocks, KD or LeBron that 90% of them wager that LeBron does.

Seriously, look at the PER difference between KD and LeBron, this is what they allow:

Kevin Durant allows a 10.5 PER for SF's and a 13.4 PER for PF's.

LeBron James allows a 12.7 PER for SF's and a 17.2 PER for PF's.

KD does this on more minutes, plus he gets more blocks, and draws more charges. He also doesn't routinely guard the other teams worst player. I don't know why no one ever points this out with LeBron.

I don't see everyone acting like KD is a lockdown defender or voting him ridiculously high for DPOY. I've seen dipshits act like LeBron is better equipped to guard PF's than KD when nothing indicates that whatsoever. Look at Marc Gasol during the playoffs this past year. As soon as Scott Brooks put KD on him, Gasol went from destroying OKC to doing virutally nothing.

Am I saying that KD deserves a mention in DPOY? No. Neither does LeBron. It's ridiculous how overrated LeBrons defense is. He wasn't even that good on that end last year compared to some of the top defenders and in the playoffs he got significantly worse.

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