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Old 09-18-2013, 11:54 AM   #16
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Default Re: Buffett(1% liberal): Scrap Obamacare and Start All Over

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Obamacare directly addresses and fixes a lot of these problems.

In 2014, i'm going to be able to get maternity coverage. I'm going to get a 50% tax credit for everything I spend on health insurance. Obamacare is giving me the freedom to start a family, and is protecting me incase my insurance wants to f*ck me over and get out of paying its bills.


This is such a sad and selfish perspective.

Obamacare doesnt FIX the problem. It simply rearranges it.

The problem is supply and demand. Simple economics. There is a finite number of doctors, and more and more people demanding to see them. What about all those unplanned teen pregnancies in the maternity ward? Theyre takin up time, space, service of the hospital, the staff, the doctors. Thats what costs YOU money. FIXING the problem would be preventing those issues. Instead you don have a word to say about that. You want a quick personal handout at the expense of the economy, at the expense of your neighbors income. You couldnt care less what causes the problem or who's paying for it. As long as its not you.

You just said so yourself. Thats a sad and dangerous indication of the path this coutry is on.

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Old 09-18-2013, 12:00 PM   #17
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Default Re: Buffett(1% liberal): Scrap Obamacare and Start All Over

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When do i get to stop paying taxes to fund my own programs?


When you stop voting for Democrats.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:10 PM   #18
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When you stop voting for Democrats.
I don't vote exclusively for democrats for president, so that's a given. Also, i don't think (literally) I've ever voted for a democrat for mayor in NYC. So nice try...

You're really full of shit, your answer to what i said was DO IT MYSELF. That's literally impossible and it's not something you'd do.

And like longhornfan you are defending a position (Buffet) that is NOT the Republican position at all.
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Old 09-18-2013, 12:19 PM   #19
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Default Re: Buffett(1% liberal): Scrap Obamacare and Start All Over

Ahhhhh longhorn.
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Bloggers say Warren Buffett recently turned against Obamacare
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In a CNBC interview in 2010, investor Warren Buffett offered skepticism about the bill that ultimately became Obamacare. Some bloggers suggested his comments were recent.This blog post on Money Morning appears to have set off a mini-frenzy about Warren Buffett and his views on President Barack Obama's health care law.

Conservative Internet bloggers are turning up three-year-old quotes from Warren Buffett and casting them as fresh evidence that American support is dwindling for President Barack Obama's health care law.

But the quotes are not properly identified as three years old and do not reflect Buffett's full thinking on the health care law.

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But the comments come from an interview that Buffett, the chairman and CEO of Berkshire Hathaway Inc., gave to CNBC on March 1, 2010 -- three and a half years ago, before the bill was signed.

Buffett's office told PolitiFact that the blog reports do not reflect his views. Buffett "has never said or thought that Obamacare should be scrapped,"

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Default Re: Buffett(1% liberal): Scrap Obamacare and Start All Over

If you interested in identfying what Warrn Buffett actually thinks about the law that actually passed, you can look here to a July 2012 interview.
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The health-care problem is the No. 1 problem of America and of American business,” Buffett, chairman and chief executive officer of Omaha, Nebraska-based Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A), told Bloomberg Television’s Betty Liu in an interview today. “It’s the tapeworm, essentially, of the American economy, and we have not dealt with that yet. Obamacare is a step in the right direction in many ways.”
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Seriously longhorn, you need to learn to check your sources. And if you've been burned by your sources again and again, stop regurgitating them.
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Default Re: Buffett(1% liberal): Scrap Obamacare and Start All Over

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You're really full of shit, your answer to what i said was DO IT MYSELF. That's literally impossible and it's not something you'd do.
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Of course starting a national health insurance charity isnt something Id do. But I'm not COMPLAINING that the government isnt paying enough for peoples insurance.

Also: "Literally impossible" to start a non profit charity????

LOL WTF???

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Old 09-18-2013, 12:38 PM   #23
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Of course starting a national health insurance charity isnt something Id do. But I'm not COMPLAINING that the government isnt paying enough for peoples insurance.

Also: "Literally impossible" to start a non profit charity????

LOL WTF???
Everytime you have a criticism of the government you don't start a organization to rectify it. It's just ridiculous to think so. If i need to do this why exactly do i pay taxes?
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Ahhhhh longhorn.



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Old 09-18-2013, 01:42 PM   #25
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Default Re: Buffett(1% liberal): Scrap Obamacare and Start All Over

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This is such a sad and selfish perspective.

Obamacare doesnt FIX the problem. It simply rearranges it.

The problem is supply and demand. Simple economics. There is a finite number of doctors, and more and more people demanding to see them. What about all those unplanned teen pregnancies in the maternity ward? Theyre takin up time, space, service of the hospital, the staff, the doctors. Thats what costs YOU money. FIXING the problem would be preventing those issues. Instead you don have a word to say about that. You want a quick personal handout at the expense of the economy, at the expense of your neighbors income. You couldnt care less what causes the problem or who's paying for it. As long as its not you.

You just said so yourself. Thats a sad and dangerous indication of the path this coutry is on.


Are you on glue? You think the real reason insurance companies rape people is because of unplanned pregnancies? Are you really that f*cking dumb? The problem is insurance companies are allowed to run wild and free with no system to keep them on check.

The insurance lobby will say that they have to charge ridiculous prices because of stupid sh*t like what you described, and complete f*cktards like yourself buy it hook line and sinker.

Could it be that they charge so much money because they can get the F*ck away with it? Ever think about that? Supply & demand, dumbass. Now they can't anymore. Now insurance companies MUST spend 80% of their income on actual medical care rather than hyperinflated administrative costs.
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Ahhhhh longhorn.



I was wondering how long it would take ISH to actually read the link, and see that the quote was from 2010, and longhornfan was just being disingenuous as usual.
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Are you on glue? You think the real reason insurance companies rape people is because of unplanned pregnancies? Are you really that f*cking dumb? The problem is insurance companies are allowed to run wild and free with no system to keep them on check.

The insurance lobby will say that they have to charge ridiculous prices because of stupid sh*t like what you described, and complete f*cktards like yourself buy it hook line and sinker.

Could it be that they charge so much money because they can get the F*ck away with it? Ever think about that? Supply & demand, dumbass. Now they can't anymore. Now insurance companies MUST spend 80% of their income on actual medical care rather than hyperinflated administrative costs.


If your insurance company blows, a free market would allow a better one to come in and take its place. Hell you could invest in one and reap all the rewards of being the one ethical insurance company.


Oh wait. You wont. Youre too lazy to dig to the root of the problem. Yore too selfish to get involved with the things you complain about. You want free money to come raining down from the sky on your ignorant head, without havin to stick to a principle, confront the issue, tackle the problem. Yes, some regulation of insurance has some merit. But not nearly as much as Obamacare provides and or you selfishly want. The primary reason medical costs are expensive is because of supply and demand. Insurance companies arent the main factor of MEDICAL COSTS. Which is the real issue.

Bottom line is you support Obamacare because its a bunch of free stuff, free coverage for you and thats all you care about, regardless of its impact on the economy, on the budget, on businesses. Regardless of how it will be abused and wasteful in many ways. Nevermind how many problems it ignores and encourages which ultimately makes it more costly, and how that affects everyone goin forward. Gub'ment gonna pay for yo baby! Way to go duke delonte!

Your wife picked a real winner.
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If your insurance company blows, a free market would allow a better one to come in and take its place. Hell you could invest in one and reap all the rewards of being the one ethical insurance company.


Oh wait. You wont. Youre too lazy to dig to the root of the problem. Yore too selfish to get involved with the things you complain about. You want free money to come raining down from the sky on your ignorant head, without havin to stick to a principle, confront the issue, tackle the problem. Yes, some regulation of insurance has some merit. But not nearly as much as Obamacare provides and or you selfishly want. The primary reason medical costs are expensive is because of supply and demand. Insurance companies arent the main factor of MEDICAL COSTS. Which is the real issue.

Bottom line is you support Obamacare because its a bunch of free stuff, free coverage for you and thats all you care about, regardless of its impact on the economy, on the budget, on businesses. Regardless of how it will be abused and wasteful in many ways. Nevermind how many problems it ignores and encourages which ultimately makes it more costly, and how that affects everyone goin forward. Gub'ment gonna pay for yo baby! Way to go duke delonte!

Your wife picked a real winner.

Again, how can a person do that realistically? Create a company that has enough resources to realistically provide health insurance? I've said it five times and you never answer, when you disagree with something the government does EVERY TIME, do you create a company that relieves the issue? I sincerely doubt it.

And what is with free shit, I'm a 6 figure earner, the government takes from me hand and foot. I'm afraid to bend over when i pass a government office that they might want to take that too. Being able to afford health care makes me ultra liberal scum all of a sudden?
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Again, how can a person do that realistically? Create a company that has enough resources to realistically provide health insurance? I've said it five times and you never answer, when you disagree with something the government does EVERY TIME, do you create a company that relieves the issue? I sincerely doubt it.

And what is with free shit, I'm a 6 figure earner, the government takes from me hand and foot. I'm afraid to bend over when i pass a government office that they might want to take that too. Being able to afford health care makes me ultra liberal scum all of a sudden?



I didnt say start your own health insurance company. I saif start your own non profit, which you could do. I said invest in a new health insurance company.

Youre a six figure earner. Im sure you have good credit and some startup calital. If you believe, as duke delonte does, that the biggest reason health insurance is hard to afford is because of scurvy customer service policy, then pool a couple investors, get a loan, and start the one and only insurance company that charges reasonable rates because you play nice and fair. You will corner the market and make a killing. I will be the first to sign up.


But the reality is, duke delote has it backwards. The MAIN reason health costs are so high is because the demand for healthcare is outpacing the number of qualified providers. People are unhealthy as hell and thats the root of the issue. Obamacare doesnt deal with that in the slightest and will encourage people to believe 'everythings ok' while fatasses like dukedelonte continue to be unhealthy, and the economy suffers as a result.

If you believe insurance is so high because of unethical insurers, then start a business (i know you are incredulous but yes, people have started businesses before) and charge people 50% less. You'll get all the business in the world and have a strong company.

Fact is, duke delonte is misguided due to personal bias and incentive. Hes not concerned with Obamacare's overall impact on the country. Only its direct short term impact on himself.
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I didnt say start your own health insurance company. I saif start your own non profit, which you could do. I said invest in a new health insurance company.

Youre a six figure earner. Im sure you have good credit and some startup calital. If you believe, as duke delonte does, that the biggest reason health insurance is hard to afford is because of scurvy customer service policy, then pool a couple investors, get a loan, and start the one and only insurance company that charges reasonable rates because you play nice and fair. You will corner the market and make a killing. I will be the first to sign up.


But the reality is, duke delote has it backwards. The MAIN reason health costs are so high is because the demand for healthcare is outpacing the number of qualified providers. People are unhealthy as hell and thats the root of the issue. Obamacare doesnt deal with that in the slightest and will encourage people to believe 'everythings ok' while fatasses like dukedelonte continue to be unhealthy, and the economy suffers as a result.

If you believe insurance is so high because of unethical insurers, then start a business (i know you are incredulous but yes, people have started businesses before) and charge people 50% less. You'll get all the business in the world and have a strong company.

Fact is, duke delonte is misguided due to personal bias and incentive. Hes not concerned with Obamacare's overall impact on the country. Only its direct short term impact on himself.

It's just so silly to even try and argue with you. Your understanding of how insurance and business in general work is at the level of a middle school kid.

Your insurance company dropped your kid because he has leukemia? Simple. Just get some investors to start your own insurance company. 'Murica.
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