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Old 10-24-2013, 10:57 AM   #151
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"He’s shown himself well," Corbin said. "It’s an option that we do have."

Jefferson has played in three of Utah’s four exhibition games. He has started twice and averaged 6.3 points and 4.3 rebounds in 20 minutes.

"We wanted him to come into great shape, and he’s done that," Corbin said. "He’s learning his teammates and they’re learning him. He’s getting a feel for what he can do with this group. So it’s been encouraging."

If Jefferson proves capable of starting, Corbin would be able to bring Alec Burks off the bench as a second-unit scorer.

When veteran Marvin Williams returns from injury, he could join Burks and make Utah’s bench more formidable than if either one has to starts.

"He understands who he is at this point in his career," Corbin said about Jefferson. "He sees the opportunity to be with a young group — a new group — and finding a niche with these guys."
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Burke, the Jazz’s rookie point guard, underwent surgery Tuesday to repair his broken right index finger. He was scheduled to visit the Jazz’s practice facility Friday.

"His spirits seem to be fine," Corbin said. "He’s progressing with his rehab now."

Burke will work on the treadmill and stationary bike to try to maintain his conditioning.

His finger will be in a split and/or cast for another 21/2 weeks, when his situation will be reevaluated. He will return to the court "when the doctors say he can run without creating swelling on the hand," Corbin said.
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Strong performance from the Jazz tonight. No surprise this team didn’t execute well down the stretch no one on the floor had ever been in that position before and that was obvious.

The defense was good all night and continues to get better. Guys are making the rotations. The defense on the ball is much better. Lucas is really small but he battles. Favors, Kanter and Gobert are manning the middle of the lane.

Favors showed more of an offensive game then he ever has. He hit some of his outside jumpers and had terrific post moves. Once again he was all over the boards. Favors is going to finish with Dwight Howard and Kevin Love as an elite rebounder in the nba.

Rugy Gobert was terrific tonight. His growth is exceptional. His length had a huge impact on the game, blocking 5 shots. He was able to rebound because the Cippers weren’t putting any bodies on him. He struggles with his balance when he is getting jostled and that will be the next step in his development. Gobert tonight was playing the big boys and held himself well. He got winded very quickly. I am not sure if he becomes the third big in the rotation but I don’t know who eles does right now with Marvin and Evans hurt.

Biedrins? Gobert might be better off in the D-league once they have enough bodies.

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The point guard play again is a really Achilles heel.

You go into camp with a rookie and a 3rd stringer and a couple FA's what do you expect? It's called tanking.

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Gordon’s 2nd quarter is what he needs to discover. He was aggressive but getting shots that make sense for him and shots where he can succeed however, in the 4th quarter and later he started forcing and taking shots that are not in his success areas. This is incredibly difficult Durant and LeBron talked about this just last year as something they were just learning. Gordon had 20 scoring opportunities tonight for 17 points. That needs to get close to 1 to 1 at a minimium. This is a super hard transition.

I liked Alec Burks game tonight more than what we saw in OKC or part of the Lakers game. His shooting is all over the place. Ron Boone points out he is not missing close. The Jazz really need him to score and score with some efficiency. Right now he is putting up some really tough shooting nights. If that doesn’t stop you have to wonder where he goes in the rotation when Brandon comes back and Marvin is available (though I think Marvin is a 4 on this roster)

Burks took 6 on his shots in the restricted area which is a step in the correct direction but he was 2 of 6 in this area. Burks is 3 for 29 from 16 feet plus in the pre-season and 7 for 36 out of the paint. That has to get fixed or …….
Ian Clark’s defense on Crawford was solid and he has accelerated his release to be able to get his shot off better.

Strong overall performance. Jazz play like that and it will be an enjoyable season of discovery.

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All seven guys have had occasions of very good play, but no one has come out to set themselves apart from the competition. In past years, when fringe guys have stuck, they made the overwhelming case to stay (think Wesley Matthews). Given the injuries to Burke, Brandon Rush and Marvin Williams, there seems to be a need for another point guard, a swingman, and a big. Harris and Holiday will most likely be given their walking papers soon. Chances are Clark will nab that swingman spot.

A swingman that can't playe the 3. I'd think McGuire or Holiday will make it at least until Marvin is back.

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So that leaves McGuire and Cook dueling for the big vacancy


McGuire is a big? He's a big guard yes.

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and Hudson and Machado for the third PG role.

Now Tinsley apparently.

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If Utah was to go solely off who is here, the case could be made for each of them.

Another avenue could be to watch the waiver wire to see who becomes available. There are some intriguing names that have been jettisoned: center Fab Melo; forwards Brandon Davies, Renaldo Balkman, Devin Ebanks, James Johnson, Corey Maggette, Jarvis Varnado, and Marcus Cousin; and guards Myck Kabongo and Darius Johnson-Odom. Others will be turned loose soon. Perhaps some of these guys may be better fits for Utah. Davies, a former Brigham Young University forward, was someone the Jazz liked during Draft workouts. Johnson is a former first-rounder who was linked to Utah in some September rumors. Kabongo was rated very high a year ago, but ended up going undrafted. He has potential as a nice back-up PG in the NBA.

The Jazz have also been connected to Chicago Bulls guard Marquis Teague and last year’s 32-game starter Jamaal Tinsley.

Or using their cap space and roster flexibility to take on someone that another team wants to dump like Teague.
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Jimmer Fredette played at BYU and now plays for the Sacramento Kings. In his first two seasons he hasn't played a lot and there have been multiple rumors about a return to the state where he made his name.

Once again, the stars have aligned with supply and demand such that this requires at least a discussion. The injury to Trey Burke creates the need, and the Kings' surplus at guard is the supply.

ESPN Insider's Joe Kaiser talked about Fredette's value and called the Jazz “the perfect trade partner.”

Ticket Sales

The Jazz want to sell tickets. Jimmer's addition wouldn't be the biggest splash ever, but it would give some fans incentive to buy. When the Jazz played the Kings the last two years fans packed EnergySolutions Arena. The first Jimmer game sold out at 19,911. The next two games had 18,000 and more than 17,000.

The Kings were terrible.

In the Oklahoma City Thunder's two trips to Salt Lake the Jazz drew just over 19,000 and more than 18,000. Even Deron Williams coming back with a good Brooklyn Nets team only sold 18,500 seats or so.

The Jazz wouldn't sell 18,000 every game just because of the "Jimmer effect," but an extra 500 to 1,000 per game to see the local icon isn't out of the realm of possibility. That could be a lot of money over the course of 41 games.
The Jazz wouldn't sell 18,000 every game just because of the “Jimmer effect,” but an extra 500 to 1,000 per game to see the local icon isn't out of the realm of possibility. That could be a lot of money over the course of 41 games.

Not to mention, there would also be a lot of jerseys sold. The Fredette jerseys were all over at Kings games, and new jerseys with the local fans would create a lot of sales.

Of course, if the Jazz bring Fredette in, it would be about his play, not just his name.

His role

Exactly how Fredette would be used is a big question for the fans. Fredette won't be the starting point guard with Burke as the future at the position.

His role wouldn't be what he did at BYU, but what the NBA requires of him — scoring. Put Fredette in the second unit with Alec Burks and let them score.

Burks would be the go-to player in the second unit, but Fredette could add scoring to a unit that lacks scorers. Even last year, the second unit had Derrick Favors, Enes Kanter and occasionally Gordon Hayward and they had a hard time scoring.

Burks and Fredette are playing back-ups. Burks can handle the ball and let Fredette shoot when teams collapse defensively, or just let Fredette go and prove whether he can still do his Jimmer thing.

Kaiser wrote, “Fredette would not only be a big box office draw in Utah, where he took the nation by storm at BYU, he'd also have the opportunity to play a huge role on a Jazz team that is currently very thin at both guard spots, especially while Trey Burke is out with the broken finger.”

Is Fredette better than John Lucas III or Lester Husdon?

Should the Jazz trade for Jimmer Fredette?
1. Yes already
2. No, he'll never play
3. Seriously, stop asking!
4. Jimmer who?
In a preseason game against the Suns last week Jimmer had 23 points on 9-of-15 shooting going 5-of-7 from 3-point range.

Fredette would have to prove that he can become consistent, not great.
Could possibly start Burks if you had Jimmer. I think he could be better than Lucas and Hudson for sure. He's got 6th man written all over him. He could make a lot of sense.

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His defensive issues

It's no secret Fredette can't play defense. He could be one of the worst defenders in the league, but he isn't guarding the top players.

Maybe Brandon Rush, Marvin Williams and Rudy Gobert play with Fredette and Burks to stop the bleeding on defense a little. Williams is an underrated defender and Gobert's length is amazing.

Rush is a good defender and Burks has the athletic tools to stop any backup. Can the Jazz hide Fredette to make it worthwhile?

Maybe a change of venue could help his defense. Chances are he will still be a liability, even if he improves a lot.

There is no quick fix or way to make Fredette look like a good defender. It is about the risk and reward.

The mania

The other big issue is the “Tim Tebow effect.” Will the crowd overreact because Jimmer is back, both with cheers and boos? Tebow, the religious NFL quarterback, was so polarizing that the only way the Denver Broncos could get rid of him without a riot was to acquire one of the greatest of all time in Peyton Manning. Of course, it wasn't the only reason the Broncos got Manning.

While this is the same reason tickets would be sold, it can't influence playing time and needs to keep the team together. The reason it could work is that the crowd is already getting what they want with the “Core 4.”

Will fans clamor for Fredette to get playing time when Burke, Burks, Hayward, Favors and Kanter are in play? Most of last season the fans were hoping for those guys to play.

Fredette would still be the odd-man-out. When the game is on the line he would be on the bench, but he'd be getting a lot more playing time than the Kings are giving him. If he gets to play meaningful minutes, but doesn't take away from the time those five get, it will appease all fans.

Why do the Jazz trade for Jimmer?

First off they need another body until Burke gets healthy. Fredette can play two positions, but his defensive problems exist at both. The Jazz need his greatest asset at either position.

He will sell tickets and jerseys, which the Jazz front office would love. He won't add much to the win total, so if the Jazz are trying to get a high draft pick he won't detract from those goals.

This season is about evaluating players for the Jazz, and Fredette could be evaluated just like the rest. He is in the last year of his contract (there is a team option next year), and so he won't hurt the team's coveted cap flexibility.

Maybe Fredette becomes the next Steve Kerr. That name doesn't sound to glamorous, but Kerr was a specialist who hit shots for championship teams.

Why not?

Well, it still depends on how much it costs. If the Kings wanted a first-round pick for Fredette, which seems like a Kings thing to do, the Jazz should laugh and walk away. If the Jazz can throw a future second-round pick to the Kings and maybe a player to make dollars work, it is very cheap for a lottery pick from two years ago.

He is in the last year of his deal so the Jazz could just wait for him to hit free agency and scoop him up.

Fredette is bound to bring some sort of circus. When he played in Utah fans would cheer and boo every time he would touch the ball.

There could be no upside as well. If the Jazz believe he is what his numbers show, there is no reason to bring him over. His player efficiency rating is less than average.

All in, it seems like a low-risk gamble that could help a team with a healing point guard. Kaiser said it pretty well with this, “It's safe to say, though, that many NBA enthusiasts would enjoy seeing what Fredette could do in extended minutes a lot more than receiving DNP-CDs at the end of the Kings' bench.”

Really, it would be fun to see, if Fredette can become Jimmer in Utah, again.

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I'm sure the Kings would be more than willing to trade Jimmer, but they'd probably try and make the Jazz take back John Salmons or Jason Thompson in return for a Williams or Jefferson expirer.
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I'm sure the Kings would be more than willing to trade Jimmer, but they'd probably try and make the Jazz take back John Salmons or Jason Thompson in return for a Williams or Jefferson expirer.

Jazz would probably take Patterson, Isiah, and/or Vasquez who are expirers. Unless others have a team option or partial guarantee or something I doubt the Jazz would want to take anyone else. All those guys fit under the cap space without sending anyone in return. Looks like they still have 17 guys in camp so they might want to do something just to create roster space and cap room which the Jazz have to spare still. The Kings do need a SF too.
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Point guard John Lucas III admitted it wasn’t a surprise that Utah's offense revolved around the 6-foot-10 big man, who finished with 24 points and 17 rebounds.

“Feed the horse! Feed him,” Lucas said. “Once he got it going, you keep going in there.”

The basketball diet tasted great to Favors, who was averaging less than eight points on 33.3 percent shooting through six games. He hit 10 of 17 shots Wednesday against Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan.

“It felt good,” Favors said, “to just break out of that slump that I was in, just get into a rhythm, play my game, just finally see shots go in that I normally make.”
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LATE DUCK: Rudy Gobert had his best pro game against the Clippers, blocking five shots and snagging 12 rebounds. Of course, the 7-foot-1 center also had one of his shots blocked and, well, there was a play in which he graciously got out of Blake Griffin’s way en route to a monster slam.

The video of that play — titled “Griffin dunk, Gobert duck” at NBA.com — has made its rounds around the Internet.

Gobert smiled when asked about ducking out of Griffin’s way.

“I thought about blocking him,” the rookie said, “but when I saw him in the air, I said, ‘It’s too late.’ ”

COACH SPEAK: Jazz coach Tyrone Corbin thought Wednesday's game was the Jazz's best yet this preseason: "We’re growing. It’s just a slow process for us right now because of the guys in and out of the lineup."

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Another vote for Jimmer.

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Corbin said he ideally would like to rotate 10 or so players at the start of the season to keep his starters fresh. But without much depth on his bench, Corbin may be forced to play his starters heavy minutes.

"How do we get through that without killing the guys, playing them 35 to 40 minutes every night?" he said. "We’ve got to make sure we get guys comfortable. We have a feel for what we have, but we’ve got to be able to squeeze some time to buy those guys some rest."

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So far this preseason, Favors has committed 4.6 fouls per 36 minutes, just a lick under last season’s 5.0. This has an effect on his minutes, but also on his defensive aggressiveness.

What fans should be talking about: But I’m just as worried about another trend I noticed throughout the preseason. Favors is almost always the last one to make it to the Jazz’s offensive end, and sometimes he’s precisely the 13th guy to cross the midcourt line – after all 4 of his teammates, 5 opponents and the 3 zebras. Much has been made of what pages Favors should be taking from Karl Malone’s book, but perhaps the most important note he should take is how many of the Mailman’s 36,928 points came because he simply outsprinted everybody, even on plays where he was the rebounder.

My free advice: There’s an easy extra few points a game to be had just by beating your man up the court.

And this is something they mentioned from their workouts with Karl.
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Hayward’s shot has been off so far this pre-season. He’s hitting just 35% of his two-point shots and even his free throw shooting has been off. He’s been given carte blanche and the result is some iffy shot selection.

What fans should be talking about: That said, I’m not too worried. The Jazz need somebody to be willing to shoot, and their offense won’t be helped by having Hayward start second-guessing himself. The shooting will normalize and he’ll be OK. What I’d like to see is better defensive adherence. Once again, he’s missing a lot, particularly in two areas: guarding the P&R handler and floating aimlessly in “no man’s land.” There are no Synergy numbers for preseason, so you’ll have to trust my eyes here: Hayward is still a bit of a defensive freestyler.

My free advice: Don’t worry about the shot; it’ll come back. Worry about establishing yourself as not just as a guy with good defensive tools but as a perimeter stopper.

He's started slow every year so that's not surprising especially since their putting him in a role he's not really suited for as the go to guy.
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