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Old 10-13-2013, 02:36 AM   #91
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1. Trey Burke’s injury was the story of the game.

Trey Burke injured his finger in the first quarter of tonight’s game. He explained that at first it looked as if it was just dislocated, but once the finger was popped back in and he returned to game action in the second quarter, it still felt too sore. X-rays were then taken at halftime, which found the fracture. Corbin seemed legitimately upset that his core of young guys was so quickly interrupted by the injury, and prematurely ended the experiment of starting the young 5 together. Burke, though, was more upbeat about what happened, calling the injury merely “day-to-day”. The extent of the injury will be evaluated on Monday the next two days.

I don’t know that this a tremendous short-term loss for the Jazz. Yes, it breaks up the young core, but Burke had been playing poorly, including shooting just 1-6 in tonight’s game. He’s now 9-30 in the preseason, not showing tremendous improvement over what had been a difficult summer on the court for the Michigan PG. John Lucas III, on the other hand, has been much better shooting the ball, but isn’t a PG who gets his teammates involved. Lucas will surely move into the starting role, which leaves a hole for a new PG to be the backup. The most likely immediate replacement is Scott Machado, the training camp invite who has shown an ability to distribute the ball. Whether the Jazz make a move to find a new PG likely depends on the extent of Burke’s injury.

It's a big loss because Lucas is a 3rd stringer ideally. They have Hudson and Clark possibly too. More likely Hudson and/or Machado make the team to start the year anyway I'd think. Tinsley?

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2. The Jazz struggled with regards to Dennis Lindsey’s three “D”s tonight.

At both media day and in subsequent interviews, Jazz GM Dennis Lindsey made this season’s goals for the team clear. He calls them the three “D”s: defense, development, and discipline. The Jazz really regressed in all three categories against the Clippers.

The team gave up 106 points to the Clippers, allowing a 55.1% shooting percentage for the night. Every single one of the 10 players who played more than 12 minutes for the Clippers shot at least 50%. Rotations were missed, transition D was spotty at best, and the team couldn’t handle Los Angeles’ point-guard oriented attack (both LAC PG’s garnered 10 assists). While Doc Rivers credited Alvin Gentry’s offense for how open the Clippers were throughout the night, the Jazz have to be disappointed in giving up so many easy shots.

On both ends, the development of the young players was… not on display. Of course, Trey Burke’s injury temporarily stalls his development, but Enes Kanter too had a game he described as “in one word: bad.” Derrick Favors shot just 1-7 on the night, and didn’t display much of the offensive skillset fans so hoped he would pick up after working with Karl Malone. Gordon Hayward too had a below-par game, scoring just 9 points.

The Jazz also lacked discipline. Favors picked up 4 fouls in just 8 minutes of playing time in the first half. Coach Corbin angrily called a timeout after Kanter blew side pick and roll coverage by being in the wrong place and accidentally screening Alec Burks, allowing for an easy Chris Paul layup. And even veteran roster invitee Brian Cook showed no smarts; he forced too many shots on offense and gave up easy plays on defense. By the measures that the Jazz front office are evaluating the team, the Jazz deserve a failing grade tonight.

Pretty much what Favors and Cook do.

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3. That being said… it’s just one game.

So early in the season, it’s easy to overreact to such a performance given our limited information. Despite our recency bias, this game means just as much as the impressive win against the Golden State Warriors on Tuesday. Yes, the Jazz were bad on this night, but there were some important caveats (for example, the Jazz were on a back-to-back, usually resulting in a somewhat sluggish team). We now have an idea of the upper and lower limits of what to expect from the team, but the truth is that most games will be played with performances in between Tuesday’s high and tonight’s low.

You hope. This was a home game. It could be an ugly year.
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:56 AM   #92
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Jazz Could Revisit Interest In Marquis Teague

Oct 13, 2013 1:12 AM EDT

The Utah Jazz have shown trade interest in Marquis Teague and could revisit discussions with the Chicago Bulls depending on the timetable of Trey Burke.

Burke suffered a fracture in his right index finger on Saturday.

The Bulls currently have Derrick Rose and Kirk Hinrich at point guard, as well as training camp invite Mike James.

Teague averaged 2.1 points in 48 games last season.

Via Marc Stein/ESPN

Interesting. Could be an upgrade on Machado. Do the Bulls want to get rid of him with Rose and Hinrich's injury history and James age? They are always looking to cut salary so they might. Could get a good deal possibly.
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Veteran point guard John Lucas III has been one of the preseason’s bright spots for the Utah Jazz.

In two games before Saturday night’s exhibition against the Los Angeles Clippers at EnergySolutions Arena, Lucas scored 19 points against Golden State and Portland.

"He’s a fire-bug," coach Tyrone Corbin said. "He can make shots and he plays the game the right way. We need his energy and leadership."

Lucas made six of his 12 field-goal attempts in games against Golden State and Portland, including 3 for 3 from the 3-point line.

"He’s a little guy who’s used to being little," Corbin said. "He knows how to create space for himself and he has a quick release."

Lucas’ father, John, was the No. 1 overall pick in the 1976 draft. He spent 14 seasons in the NBA and coached San Antonio, Philadelphia and Cleveland.

"I talk to him every day," Lucas III said. "He’s my best friend."

What do they discuss?

"He just tells me pick and choose when to attack because I’ve always been a scoring point guard," Lucas III said. "But now I’ve found balance [is important]. That’s one thing I’ve worked on worked on — balance — because the offense we have here, everybody’s an option."

According to Lucas III, his father’s best advice over the years has been staying true to himself.

"A lot of coaches growing up [said], ‘You’re a two-guard, you’re a two-guard,’ " he explained. "But I was a point guard with the ability to put the ball in the hole and my dad always said, ‘Don’t let anybody tell you who you are. You know who you are.’ "
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John Lucas III is captain of the ship.

With rookie Trey Burke sidelined for an estimated 3-6 weeks after fracturing his right index finger, Lucas is easily the most accomplished point guard left standing in the Jazz’s training camp.
Burks. Lucas is a 3rd stringer. Wiggins!

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Until Burke returns — and even if the Jazz eventually sign a free-agent to bolster the position — Lucas will likely play an expanded role.

Burke was injured in the first quarter of Utah’s 106-74 loss to the Los Angeles Clippers on Saturday night at EnergySolutions Arena.

Afterward, Lucas talked bravely of accepting more responsibility from coach Tyrone Corbin.

"I’m just going to play," he said. "I’m going to come in and hold it down. My whole thing is to come in and play right away. Whatever Ty wants out of me, that’s what I’m going to do, no matter what.

"I live for this game and, when the opportunity comes, I’m going to step it up. I ain’t shying away from nothing. I’m just going to play hard, play tough and play with a lot of energy."

Burke will be examined by a hand specialist Monday, when a decision on possible surgery will be made and his official time-frame for returning will be announced.

Burke’s father, Benji, is also his agent.

On Sunday afternoon, he sent The Tribune a text message that read, "Not sure on surgery. Looking at three to six weeks, guessing. [Trey] is in great spirits."

The Jazz selected Burke in the first round of last summer’s draft. He was expected to quickly become a foundation player for the rebuilding franchise.

"My heart goes out to him," Lucas said, "because he wants to be out there and he was just now getting into his rhythm. He was feeling comfortable, feeling the flow of the game — how fast [it] can be, the intensity. [But] one thing about Trey, he’s going to go in and watch film. And when he comes back, he’s going to be ready."

After the loss to the Clippers, Corbin spoke of management "putting our heads together" and deciding what to do with the roster while Burke is sidelined.

Currently, the healthy point guards in camp are free agents Scott Machado and Lester Hudson, along with Lucas.

"It’s the NBA, man," Corbin said. "You’ve got to adjust. We’re working a lot of things out. We knew we’d have to. This is another obstacle."

Like Corbin, Jazz players expressed confidence in Lucas, a 30-year-old veteran who has started two games in his five-year NBA career.

"He’s been a great locker room guy," said Derrick Favors. "He comes in, even during practice, and gets everybody ready. He’s very vocal and he’s a great guy — a great teammate. I’m glad he’s on the team."

Burke, talking to reporters with a large splint bandaged to his injured finger, also endorsed Lucas:

"He brings, first and foremost, leadership. He’s played pretty much everywhere. He’s able to knock down shots. He’s able to get guys going and get guys in the right spots. We have no doubts he can do it. We all know what John brings to the table."
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Burke’s camp is hopeful the 2013 NCAA player of the year will be back in three to six weeks, although even that quickest-return timeline would have him out for the 2013-14 season opener on Oct. 30.

There are some, however, who believe Burke’s injury will take at least six weeks to heal. If the specialist recommends surgery, the point guard could be out even longer.

“It’s a downer for us,” Jazz coach Tyrone Corbin said about the news that overshadowed Saturday’s 106-74 loss to the Los Angeles Clippers.

“We’ve got scouts out there. They’ll see what’s available. We’ve got some guys here. We played Alec (Burks) there for a little while last year.”

He's the best option without making a move.

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Until Burke returns, the starting point guard role will be handled by veteran John Lucas III, one of the Jazz’s offseason acquisitions. He most recently played in Toronto but was considered a solid backup to Derrick Rose in Chicago before that Canadian stint.

The 30-year-old Lucas, who’s shown an offensive spark this preseason, said his new job is to simply “hold it down” until Burke is back.

“Whatever Ty wants out of me, that’s what I’m going to do, no matter what,” Lucas said. “I live for this game. When the opportunity comes, I’m going to step up. I ain’t shying away from nothing.”

Lucas is also firmly in Burke’s corner. He feels horrible about getting a bigger role with the Jazz due to his new teammate’s misfortune.

“It’s difficult. It really is. My heart goes out to him because you know he wants to be out there,” Lucas said. “He was just now getting into his rhythm. He was feeling comfortable, feeling the flow of the game, how fast it’s going to be, the intensity.”

Lucas believes Burke can draw on the experiences he had against three of the NBA’s top point guards — Steph Curry, Damian Lillard and Chris Paul, albeit briefly — during a tough exhibition initiation.

“One thing about Trey, he’s going to go in and watch film,” Lucas said. “When he comes back, he’s going to be ready.”

Burke said his biggest priority right now is to get his finger back to full strength. For now, he’ll keep pressure and ice on the finger, which is wrapped up in a splint.

The young NBA player, who turns 21 next month, did show how gutsy he is by returning to play after having his fingers taped in the tunnel behind the Jazz bench Saturday night.

Burke said he doesn’t think he did any extra damage by returning, but he remained in pain by the time he spoke to reporters an hour later. He pointed to the area of the finger between the two lower knuckles while explaining where he’d been hurt, but even that was a guessing game.

“It’s really hard to explain where it’s at,” he said, “because pretty much my whole finger is hurting right now.”

The Jazz have two NBA hopeful point guards on their preseason roster, including former Iona star Scott Machado, who’s been Utah’s third point guard off the bench in all three games so far. The 6-1 guard was waived after making six regular-season appearances in Houston last year. He then got picked up by Golden State and saw playing time in five playoff games last spring.

Tennessee-Martin product Lester Hudson, who’s played for four NBA teams since 2009, is the other point guard on the roster.

The Jazz are also exploring options — from possible trades to free agent signings — to shore up the point guard depth chart.

Burke’s injury gave Corbin a flashback to the beginning of his NBA career with the San Antonio Spurs in 1985. His debut was delayed after he twisted his knee in the exhibition season.

“It will throw you for a loop, but he can learn by watching,” Corbin said of Burke. “We’ll see where it goes and how fast we can get him back on the floor. There are other ways to learn.”

Jokingly asked how his left-handed shot is, Burke cracked a grin and replied, “I rely on my right more.” He’s also going to rely on remaining in a good frame of mind while he’s out.

“Obviously, I’ve never dealt with an injury like this,” Burke said. “It’s kind of new to me. I’m just trying to stay as positive as possible.”
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Steve Luhm: Can't imagine Jazz adding a player who will soon require a contract extension, regardless whether Trey Burke is out 3 weeks or 3 months. Twitter @sluhm

I assume he means Teague? If they got Teague cheap they wouldn't have to pick up his option for next year. Could make sense if they like him. Step up on Machado based on where he was drafted anyway. Only 21.
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The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has waived center/forward Dwayne Jones II. Following the move, the Jazz roster now stands at 19 players. Jones II (6-11, 250, Saint Joseph’s) appeared in one preseason game for Utah. NBA.com

The non-point guards in camp's chances just lessened.
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Jazz veterans Marvin Williams and Brandon Rush continue to recover from injuries, but neither is close to returning.

Williams underwent surgery June 4 to repair his right heel and Achilles tendon.

When he was with Golden State, Rush tore his ACL and MCL in a game on Nov. 2. He underwent surgery in January.

According to Corbin, Rush is scheduled to be re-evaluated on Oct. 26. Williams’ next visit with doctors will be "a little sooner."

Shit I thought Rush would be back before Marvin.

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"They are both getting closer every day," Corbin said. "... They are both supposed to start increasing their activity on the floor. But to go 5-on-5 is a ways off for them."

Meanwhile, Gordon Hayward suffered a bruised arch in Saturday’s 106-74 loss to the Los Angeles Clippers. He did not practice Monday but did practice Tuesday and is expected to play Wednesday against Portland.

"It hurt," he said. "But it should be all right — fine."

See how these guys hold up to increased minutes and roles.
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In their press release, the Jazz did not indicate whether or not pins were inserted into his fractured finger, something that could delay his return.
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The Utah Jazz are expressing a level of interest in Jamaal Tinsley.

“He’s a guy who knows our system,” Tyrone Corbin said.

Tinsley played with the Jazz last season.

The Jazz lost Trey Burke on Saturday to a fractured index finger.

Via Bill Oram/The Salt Lake Tribune
Shouldn't have let him leave in the first place.
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Shouldn't have let him leave in the first place.

I've been a huge Tinsley supporter since they first brought him to camp 2 years ago and with Sloan's offense he is a great fit but if the ball is going to be in Hayward and Burks hands someone that can shoot and defend probably makes more sense. Ty has talked about the game changing and pg's not necessarily being pass first anymore. Tinsley definitely still belongs in the league though.
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"We still have a lot of work to do," coach Tyrone Corbin said Monday. "Our effort the other night against the Clippers ... wasn’t really where I thought it would be. I’m not happy with the fight we showed.

"They are a good team. Don’t take anything away from the Clippers. They are built to be a championship team this year. But I wanted to see us compete a little more *— with a little more sense of urgency."

The Jazz are 1-2 in the preseason heading into Wednesday night’s game against Portland at EnergySolutions Arena.
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I've been a huge Tinsley supporter since they first brought him to camp 2 years ago and with Sloan's offense he is a great fit but if the ball is going to be in Hayward and Burks hands someone that can shoot and defend probably makes more sense. Ty has talked about the game changing and pg's not necessarily being pass first anymore. Tinsley definitely still belongs in the league though.
I still like him as a backup. I think with the young bigs sometimes you need a pass first guy who'll get them the ball in the right spots.
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This game may be very typical of a lot of Jazz games early in the year. Strong effort but inexperienced mistakes and an lack of experience late in the game.

Lots of things to like tonight. Gordon Hayward had the ball in his hands for lots of the playmaking without Trey Burke on the floor.


The way it should be.

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He did a very nice job and made some mistakes. Gordon used to get to pick his spots for shots and tonight he often has to take the shot whatever it might be and he hit just 5 of 16 but he got to the line 14 times and was able to score 20 points on 14 free throws. His points per scoring opportunity tonight was 22 scoring opportunities and 20 points. He needs to be above 1. League average is 1.05
Advanced Stats notes – Jazz defensive efficiency tonight was 100.5 which is good but the offense was 93.2. Hard to win at 93.2. League average is about 100.7. Jazz defensive rebounding was really a problem in the third quarter when the Blazers got 54% of their own misses as offensive rebounds.


It was a problem last year. Keep reading that they should dominate on the glass but not if it's only on the offensive glass. Enes had 0 defensive boards!

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Jazz scored just 43 points on 49 second half offensive trips.
The Jazz used less than 5% of their possessions in the 2nd half shooting a three. League average is 25%. With Hayward handling and Burke, Rush and Marvin out I am not sure who is taking three’s but someone has too.

Lucas, Hudson, Jefferson, Burks

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Enes Kanter 1st quarter was terrific 7 for 7 to start and he finished with 16 points. This was much needed. He was really beating up on himself after the last two games.
Derrick Favors is going to be a top 5 rebounding in the NBA, he might lead the league. 16 of his 17 rebounds were on the defensive end.

Let's hope so but with his foul trouble I wouldn 't count on it.

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I was talking with a scout today who referened Alec as a streaking shooter. This was too much of a streak the wrong way as he went 1 for 13 from the field.

He wasn't very good!

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Ron Boone said he thinks Lester Hudson just made the team he is a good shooter and a solid rebounder.

Might have to consider starting him. He fits better than Machado.

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I like the little things Andris Biedrins brings.

Me too. Had a nice pass. There was a nice interior feed to him for an easy one. He was mentoring Enes on the bench after he set another illegal pick.

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In three starts coming into Wednesday’s game, Favors was struggling to find his scoring touch. The Jazz’s 6-10 big man only hit 26.9 percent of his shots in Utah’s first week of preseason play, averaging just 6.3 points.

“I’m just missing shots," Favors said. “My shot's off right now, but I’ve been working on it. Hopefully, it will start falling.”

Favors said teams haven’t been paying extra attention to him in the paint. He put the blame on himself and said he’s still “getting the chemistry down with everybody” on this revamped Jazz squad.

What reason would anyone have to pay special attenton to him for? They're going to have their hands full with Enes and G.

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“(I’m) just trying to find that comfort zone and getting into a rhythm,” he said. “You know where you get your shots from. Just get the flow of the offense down.”

Favors scored 10 points on 4-for-7 shooting with 17 rebounds in Wednesday's preseason loss to Portland.
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