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Old 10-23-2013, 05:07 PM   #31
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Jason Hatcher has been every bit as dominate as Suh or anyone else...him being ranked #1 over all those big names, McCoy, Atkins, Suh, etc should say something to fans.

and Hatcher has been dominate EVERY GAME too...it's not like he just had a couple fluke games against weak guards...he has been amazing.

It's amazing how much better he has become in the 4-3. This guy showed signs last year, but this year he has taken it to another level. It's sad that he will probably walk following this season, I don't think that we will have enough money to re-sign him.
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man, I don't even want to think about losing Hatcher...

on a related note, George Selvie has also been amazing...I don't know why the fck this guy's shit decided to start flying...Selvie before the Cowboys?

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Selvie was signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars on November 15, 2011 where he finished the season playing in seven games and making four tackles and one-half sack.

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Selvie signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on April 2, 2013.[8] He was released on May 6, 2013.

he already has 4.5 sacks this year which is more than the rest of his career with those other teams...

the guy must have come to the realization that with Spencer getting injured this will be the ONLY chance he ever has at being a notable NFL starter...and he has already done that...He will be a starter next year for sure, where ever he is...he is probably going to want money too
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Jimmy Graham gets shut down by Talib, has a bye week, then moves up the list.
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through week 8:


QB

Best
1. Peyton Manning
2. Philip Rivers
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Andrew Luck
5. Mathew Stafford

Worst
1. EJ Manuel (1 is the worst, 2 is the 2nd worst etc)
2. Blaine Gabbert
3. Geno Smith
4. Chad Henne
5. Mike Glennon


RB

Best
1. LeSean McCoy
2. Frank Gore
3. Darren Sproles
4. Marshawn Lynch
5. Jacquizz Rodgers

Worst
1. CJ Spiller
2. Ray Rice
3. Darren McFadden
4. Doug Martin
5. Chris Ivory


FB

Best
1. Anthony Sherman
2. Mike Tolbert
3. Collin Mooney
4. Bruce Miller
5. John Kuhn

Worst
1. Tommy Bohanon
2. Vonta Leach
3. Erik Lorig
4. Derrick Coleman
5. Frank Summers


WR

Best
1. Calvin Johnson
2. Jordy Nelson
3. Antonio Brown
4. Brandon Marshall
5. Dez Bryant

Worst
1. Kenny Britt
2. Greg Little
3. Aaron Dobson
4. Davone Bess
5. Kyle Williams


TE

Best
1. Ben Hartstock
2. Vernon Davis
3. Jordan Cameron
4. Ben Watson
5. Jimmy Graham

Worst
1. Jermaine Gresham
2. James Hanna
3. Rob Housler
4. Ed Dickson
5. Brandon Myers


OT

Best
1. Nate Solder
2. Jordan Gross
3. Doug Free
4t. Andrew Whitworth
4t. Joe Staley

Worst
1. Lamar Holmes
2. Jordan Mills
3. Eric Fisher
4. Bradley Sowell
5. Derek Newton


OG

Best
1. Evan Mathis (graded higher than #2 and #3 combined)
2. Louis Vasquez
3. David DeCastro
4. Daryn Colledge
5t. Ben Grubbs
5t. Jon Asamoah

Worst
1. Colin Brown (lowest grade on PFF)
2. Lucas Nix
3. Will Rackley
4. Davin Joseph
5. Paul Fanaika


C

Best
1. Chris Myers
2. Manuel Ramirez
3. Alex Mack
4. Dominic Raiola
5. Nick Hardwick

Worst
1. Gino Gradkowski
2. Robert Turner
3. Peter Konz
4. Ryan Wendell
5. Max Unger


4-3 DE

Best
1. Robert Quinn
2. Michael Johnson
3. Michael Bennett
4. Lamarr Houston
5. DeMarcus Ware

Worst
1. Daniel Teo-Nesheim
2. Mathias Kiwanuka
3. Derek Wolfe
4. Shea McClellin
5. Jason Babin


3-4 DE

Best
1. JJ Watt (highest grade on PFF, graded twice as highly as #2)
2. Cameron Jordan
3. Muhammad Wilkerson
4. Fletcher Cox
5. Kyle Williams

Worst
1. Kendall Reyes
2. Kedric Gholston
3. Datone Jones
4. Stephen Bowen
5t. Demarcus Dobbs
5t. Ziggy Hood


DT

Best
1. Jason Hatcher
2. Gerald McCoy
3. Geno Atkins
4. Randy Starks
5. Jurrell Casey

Worst
1. Nick Hayden
2. Chris Jones
3. Kevin Vickerson
4. Roy Miller
5. Domato Peko


NT

Best
1. Damon Harrison
2. Dontari Poe
3. Marcell Dareus
4. Glenn Dorsey
5. Phil Taylor

Worst
1. Earl Mitchell
2. Cam Thomas
3. Isaac Sopoaga
4. Alameda Taamu
5. Aubrayo Franklin


4-3 OLB

Best
1. Lavonte David
2. Malcom Smith
3. Bruce Irvin
4. Vontaze Burfict
5. James Harrison

Worst
1. Geno Hayes
2. Chad Greenway
3. Zach Brown
4. Jerod Mayo
5. Donta Hightower


3-4 OLB

Best
1. Justin Houston
2. Robert Mathis
3. Elvis Dumervil
4. Tamba Hali
5. Junior Galette

Worst
1. Quinton Coples
2. Brooks Reed
3. Mike Neal
4. Erik Walden
5. Courtney Upshaw


MLB/ILB

Best
1. Derrick Johnson
2. Brandon Spikes
3. Sean Lee
4. NaVorro Bowman
5. Daryl Washington

Worst
1. Mychal Kendricks
2. DeMeco Ryans
3. Craig Robertson
4. London Fletcher
5. Moise Fokou


CB

Best
1. Darrelle Revis
2. Alterraun Verner
3. Jason McCourty
4. Marcus Cooper
5. Vontae Davis

Worst
1. Cortland Finnegan
2. Antonio Cromartie
3. Josh Robinson
4. Dee Milliner
5. Justin Rogers


S

Best
1. Devin McCourty
2. TJ Ward
3. Earl Thomas
4. Eric Berry
5. Troy Polamalu

Worst
1. John Cyprien
2. Major Wright
3. Josh Evans
4. Brandian Ross
5. Jerron McMillian


K

Best
1. Matt Prater
2. Stephen Gostkowski
3. Dan Bailey
4. Graham Gano
5. Steven Hauschka


P

Best
1. Johnny Hekker
2. Shane Lechler
3. Thomas Morstead
4. Matt Bosher
5. Pat McAfee
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:29 PM   #35
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http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagl...s&id=229272151

I don't know how to get the non-mobile version, but there's an article on Mathis recognizing PFF's rankings and how he gets some teasing from teammates about it.
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I had an interesting conversation with Steve Palazzolo of PFF the other night about Mingo and his rankings in general... basically the way he evaluates players. It was a pretty productive discussion.

I still think many of these ratings are absurd and some people put a little too much stock in them when there is a lot being left to interpretation by the analysts.

They're interesting conversation pieces, but not the be-all, end-all.
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......if they had a positive grade for Mingo your tune would be different.

Believe that.
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......if they had a positive grade for Mingo your tune would be different.

Believe that.
Def not. He loves plenty of Browns players, including Jabaal Sheard, Buster Skrine, Joe Haden, Jordan Cameron and others. There are also a lot of players in Cleveland who deserve to have horrible ratings. I don't think Mingo is one of them. That comes from simply watching the games.

And it's not like I'm alone. A lot of people think Mingo has done well so far this year.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...s-bruised-lung

He is still raw and has a long way to go to be the kind of player I think he has the potential to become. But, he hasn't been horrible. Not by a longshot.
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No, he hasn't been horrible, just below average, which is what the grade they gave indicates and what the film says to anyone paying attention.

You can make a lot of interpretation arguments for different positions, like RB/QB/WR/Safeties but the trenches are pretty spot on.
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No, he hasn't been horrible, just below average, which is what the grade they gave indicates and what the film says to anyone paying attention.

You can make a lot of interpretation arguments for different positions, like RB/QB/WR/Safeties but the trenches are pretty spot on.
It is dependent upon interpretation. He flat-out told me that his formula for the rankings is a ratio of pressures vs. pass rush attempts. However, like the link above shows, it isn't always that simple. When you have a guy attracting additional attention on passing downs, it opens things up for teammates to make plays. He's been seeing a lot of chips the last few weeks and, specifically against GB, he was getting flat-out double-teamed on several key passing downs.

That is one example of a variable not taken into account.

Then, there is the issue with the site deciding which sacks/pressures "count" and which ones do not. In one write-up following what I thought was a pretty solid performance by Mingo, Palazzolo downplayed two tipped passes by Mingo at the line of scrimmage because they didn't result in turnovers. One pass which he batted into the air was caught by a receiver downfield.

So, had a DB intercepted the pass, that makes it a better play by Mingo? How is that in his control?

They interpret the validity of sacks, tips, etc. and which ones are worthy of being factored in to the score. I don't have a problem with sites having to interpret these kinds of things, but it makes the rankings pretty unscientific.



As for Mingo's ratings simply being "below average," I believe his score is one of the four worst on the entire Browns' team. I call that horrible. No point in arguing semantics. The score is bad.

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It's not a scientific stat. It's one based on film which is the best area to source it from.

It's the best quick glance "stat" out their for trench players. If you sat down and took the time to look at Mingo's total body of work play by play, you wouldn't come away impressed for the result on the plays. You would be impressed with the potential, because he flashes, but potential is not current reality.

BTW, it's not a bad thing that he's been below average. Have you taken a look at the updated grades for 1st, and 2nd rounders? All but a select few of them are graded in the negative. It's not uncommon at all for rookies to take time to get accustomed to the league.

I expect Mingo to be a very good player down the line, just because he has a low grade so far does not mean he's going to be that for his career.
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It's not a scientific stat. It's one based on film which is the best area to source it from.

It's the best quick glance "stat" out their for trench players. If you sat down and took the time to look at Mingo's total body of work play by play, you wouldn't come away impressed for the result on the plays. You would be impressed with the potential, because he flashes, but potential is not current reality.

BTW, it's not a bad thing that he's been below average. Have you taken a look at the updated grades for 1st, and 2nd rounders? All but a select few of them are graded in the negative. It's not uncommon at all for rookies to take time to get accustomed to the league.

I expect Mingo to be a very good player down the line, just because he has a low grade so far does not mean he's going to be that for his career.
I don't have the full ratings in front of me. I'm just going off of memory. I could be wrong on just how bad the number is.

Palazzolo made similar projections regarding Mingo's potential. He said he was one of his top guys coming out of the draft and he thinks he's going to be good. I realize these ratings don't take into account potential.

I just don't think, having watched every second of every Browns game, Mingo has been a liability in terms of actual impact. To me, that's what the score indicates. Maybe I'm over-stating just how bad it is. I would have to look at the complete ratings to truly say for sure.

I actually like the site and the work these guys do and I told him that. It's a very interesting concept and a lot of man-hours go into putting these things together, I'm sure. I just don't like how some people (not referring to you, talking more about Twitter convos I've had) treat them as gospel.

Not just talking about Mingo, here... I don't agree with many of the rankings. Then again, they wouldn't be interesting if they just reinforced what everyone already believed.
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How is this come about? How do they judge?



They review every play of every single game, grading players on what their performance is for each play. I've found PFF to be pretty accurate in terms of how they grade, very objective, people get butt-hurt because they grad guys on actual output and performance, not their individual talent level. The most talented guys don't necessarily grade out the highest but PFF is legit, a lot of news sources and even NFL organizations utilize their rankings.


No source is perfect of course and PFF has limitations too, but generally, you can tell how a guy is doing in a particular season by looking at his rankings. You can easily tell what offensive lineman is doing well and what offensive lineman is doing poorly simply by reviewing their PFF numbers for example.
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I had an interesting conversation with Steve Palazzolo of PFF the other night about Mingo and his rankings in general... basically the way he evaluates players. It was a pretty productive discussion.

I still think many of these ratings are absurd and some people put a little too much stock in them when there is a lot being left to interpretation by the analysts.

They're interesting conversation pieces, but not the be-all, end-all.



His ratings are low primarily due to bad games against Cincy and KC, beyond that he's been basically average. I don't see anything wrong with those rankings, especially for a rookie. Its not like his rankings are in the Johnathan Cyprien level.
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His ratings are low primarily due to bad games against Cincy and KC, beyond that he's been basically average. I don't see anything wrong with those rankings, especially for a rookie. Its not like his rankings are in the Johnathan Cyprien level.
Not to belabor the point, but the Cincy game was the biggest gripe I had with PFF's rankings regarding Mingo. That was the game where he was criticized for tipping a ball that was caught downfield.

It was also the game where the Browns' defense was basically dominant while Mingo was on the field basically all game long due to Sheard's injury. Cincinnati couldn't run anywhere on the Browns' defense, including at or around Mingo (60 rushing yards, 3.2 YPC). Mingo had two tackles for losses including one on a key fourth down play deep in Browns' territory, a sack (which was completely explained away as meaningless) and another hit on Dalton.

People who watched that game, including the commentators, journalists, etc. were raving about Mingo throughout. Then, PFF's rankings came out with a horrible number.

That game was really what got me started on just how those numbers were calculated.

Now, the KC game? He wasn't a factor, earning that grade undoubtedly.
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