"Lineup of Trey, Alec, Gordon, Favors and Kanter played together tonight for 9 minutes and outscored the Pacers 24-19. Offensive rating of 141 and a defensive rating of 106. They had only played 1 minute together prior to tonight."
Also, you've been pretty harsh on Trey all year. Are you starting to change your tune?
I didn't like the fact that everyone has been writing that he is their savior because he is such a great shooter. I'm all for guys actually proving it and earning it. He's starting to that.
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Will Stevens and the Celtics try to land Hayward? If Hayward agrees to an offer from another team, the Jazz can match and retain Hayward. "I'm a Jazz guy and love being here. You just play basketball and that stuff will take care of itself," Hayward said. USA Today Sports
Jeremy Evans had a nice impact on the game. The Blazers went at him defensively and he lacks size, this will never change but he made a lot of plays with his hops and his reach and his ability to make plays. He played a nice game and continues to show he can impact games.
Need to play him more especially when no one else is doing anything.
Richard Jefferson doesn’t look the same as he did early in the year.
played too many minutes
Blazers 17 of 23 from three is one of the greatest shooting displays in NBA history. It is the best shooting percentage with 20 3pt attmepts or 15 makes. 17 three’s is a franchise record for the Blazers.
I swear I saw someone pull up for 3 with 8 seconds left in the quarter in transition with the shot clock off.
Brandon Rush played 23 minutes as he tries to work himself back into shape
Looks like he might finally be starting to come around. He could make a big difference. Take Jefferson's minutes.
Burks got beat up by Lillard in the first quarter when Lillard had the first 8 points and 10 of the first 14. Some were lucky bounces back out to him but Burke was having a tough time. Then in the third quarter Lillard went back at it and Burke broke out of the offense to try to match him 1 on 1 and match his scoring. This was not well received. Burke admitted after the game he has to be better than get caught up in a personal battle.
Portland is really good and they did what a professional good team does. They put a whopping on a lesser opponent rather than letting the game last and wear them out . Impressive.
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the point guard play has gone from being the team’s biggest weakness to arguably being the team’s biggest strength
Not saying much and probably wouldn't agree.
Burke understandably and deservedly gets most of the credit. His play has been wonderful to watch, as fellow Salt City Hooper Laura Thompson wrote, and I am thrilled to see his growth throughout the season. But behind him, Diante Garrett deserves some of the credit for the team’s recent success.
Garrett has out played him at times and was outplaying him when they benched him in favor of Burke and Lucas.
Few people knew much about Garrett, much like many of the mid-season signings the Jazz have consummated the past several seasons (think Sundiata Gaines, Othyus Jeffers, DeMarre Carroll). It did not take long for him to show his worth, as he tallied seven points and five assists in his debut. This also happened to be the first win of Utah’s season. Since then, he has shown he was not only someone to smooth things over until Burke returned, but can also help the team going forward.
While he and Lucas have alternated roles since Burke came back from his injury, head coach Tyrone Corbin has opted to go with Garrett the past two games. This is a great move, since Garrett has a lot to offer.
First off, he is a pass-focused point guard. He is averaging 3.3 dimes (7.5 per/36 minutes) off the bench while sporting a 35.4 AST%. Those are solid, especially compared to Lucas (1.6 apg in 21.1 mpg; 2.8/36 min; 12.7 AST%). He actively looks to set up his teammates and at times has been the team’s best facilitator. Besides Gordon Hayward, no Jazz player has recorded more assists in a game than Garrett did versus the Dallas Mavericks (eight). He has four games with five or more dimes. The offense seems to flow when he is at the helm. Garrett definitely needs to work on his turnovers (23.3 TOV%, including two palming miscues the other night), but the skills are there to be a very solid back-up passer.
Who wouldn't look like a pass first pg in comparison to Lucas?
By inserting him into the second unit, Garrett allows Alec Burks to play more to his strengths: slashing, getting to the free throw line and functioning as a secondary creator, rather than a primary. Lucas is not a passer, so when he was in, Burks was forced to not only be the facilitator, but also the primary bench scorer. It caused for some poor outings. Coincidentally, Burks has played much better the past two games because Burke and Garrett have helped him focus on his fortes.
He’s not going to be a scorer, but Garrett has shown he can stick the jumper, hitting 38.5% of his threes thus far. If he can continue hitting the wide open jumpers–which he will continue to get–that opens up the offense tremendously for his teammates (something that Tinsley and Lucas were not doing, although Lucas has improved of late).
At 6’4″ and with a 6’8″ wingspan, Garrett can have a defensive impact. He plays the passing lanes (0.9 spg and 2.1/36 min) and can affect shots, especially when compared to the 5’11″ Lucas. With combined with guys like Burks, Jeremy Evans and Marvin Williams, he helps give Corbin a long, athletic, active lineup on defense.
Might want to play him with Burke or Lucas. He's got the length to guard 2's and 3's.
At just barely 25 years old, he still has some upside. It’ll be interesting to see how he develops over the course of the season. He could be someone that helps shore up the Jazz bench past this year. In the meantime, should he stay in the rotation, Garrett will definitely help the Jazz going forward.
Wouldn't be surprised if he got cut next month before his contract becomes guaranteed though.
Deron Williams did a decent job, at some points better than others, but was not the pass-at-all-costs point guard we were accustomed to.
Deron like Stockton before him should have shot more if anything. Was one of the top assist guys in the league. To say he was decent is laughable!
Devin Harris, Jamaal Tinsley, Earl Watson and Mo Williams were brought in to fill in the gaps, and now it’s John Lucas III and Dionte Garrett’s turn. None of those interim options have yielded ideal results (unless a top pick in the 2014 draft is high on your list).
Obviously that was the plan with who they've thrown out there.
David J. Smith shared some stats last night that really jumped out to me. Here are Trey Burke’s last four games: 17.0 ppg, 41 FG%, 48% from 3, 100% FT (6-6), 4.0 APG, 4.0 RPG, 1.25 SPG, 1.5 TO. Considering the numbers we had been getting by our point-guard-by-committee, those are a welcome sight. On the year now—which, admittedly, includes all of seven games for Burke—his eFG% is 45.5% and his TS% is 47.8%, much closer to his college numbers (53.0% and 56.9%, respectively) than his summer league numbers, and for that we are grateful. Hopefully, as he gets more comfortable playing at the NBA level, those numbers will continue to increase.
He couldn't have been much worse in summer or much better as the college player of the year though. Got to get better.
What really impresses me with those stats are Burke’s rebounding numbers. For a small point guard, he rebounds well. Remember last year, how we had the worst-rebounding starting backcourt in the league? Mo Williams averaged 2.7 rebounds per 36 minutes, and so far this year Burke is averaging 4.8 rebounds per 36 minutes. Randy Foye averaged 2.0 rebounds per 36 minutes last year, while Hayward (currently starting at the 2) is averaging 5.4 rebounds per 36 minutes. That is a significant upgrade on an important backcourt stat.
(Side note: Have you noticed that Mo, like Burke, is also perfect from the line so far this season? 11-11.)
(Side side note: Burke reminds me a little bit of a rich man’s Mo Williams: undersized, score-first mentality, fearless, with a lot of swagger)
He's got a lot to prove to where he's better than prime Mo.
Another stat that has seriously impressed me was one first mentioned (I believe) in a Tweet by @NBAGuru: “Trey Burke has turned the ball over 1 time in his last 89 minutes.”
Dang. For a team that has also struggled so far this year with a high turnover rate, that’s a much-needed number to see, even if it’s a turnover rate we may not see consistently. But it’s even more impressive coming from a rookie who missed a decent chunk of time with a broken finger.
His lack of turnovers is probably the most impressive thing so far.
I’m not quite understanding Enes Kanter’s minutes lately. Are we trying to keep his stats down so we can afford to extend him in the offseason? Will he be able to develop if he’s playing about a quarter a game? Because he logged fewer minutes last night (12:45) than he averaged in his rookie season (13:14).
I'd say he could get dealt eventually if they don't think he and Favors can't play together and they have other options come the off season.
Derrick Favors has been doing what he does best, quietly turning in yet another solid performance, rendering Dwight Howard ineffective. Favors was perfect from the field and the line last night, going 6-6 from the field and 2-2 (!) from the line, for a line of 14/13/2. Solid and understated, per usual.
The Favors/Kanter combo. If this season is all about the season of discovery and the development of players, surely there can be plays created that can find ways to incorporate both Kanter and Favors on the floor at the same time, utilizing each of their strengths, right? Considering Kanter’s ability to hit the outside shot and Favors’ growing arsenal in the post, it just seems like there’s plenty of talent to work with here.
Kanter has now played almost half as many minutes as he did all of last year.
Jeremy Evans was 1-4 from the field. GASP.
Alec Burks was unbelievably efficient last night. He was 7-11 from the field (including 3-4 from 3), 4-5 from the line, 21 points, 4 assists (!), and three rebounds.
Bottom line: This Jazz team is a lot more fun to watch with a good point guard running the show. It’s amazing the difference a point guard makes.
EMPTYING THE NOGGIN – Jazz play extra but don’t get a win
Posted on December 7, 2013 by David Locke
EMPTYING THE NOGGIN
Honestly I am not sure how we ended up where we did tonight. I think we just ran out of guys. Without Derrick, Marvin and then the foul trouble of Jeremy, Enes and Mike Harris we ran out of guys.
Still had Gobert and Biedrins. Gobert barely played.
Jazz lead the game by 7 with 1:59 left made their free throws and somehow lost the game. McLemore hit a big three and Thomas and Cousins made kick plays and somehow we ended up in overtime.
Credit to Mike Malone that is the best I have seen DeMarcus Cousins used in his career. They sent him to the low block and he was a beast. Kanter couldn’t handle him. Biedrins did a nice job on him but the foul shooting issue reared its head and is going to be an issue for the foreseeable future.
The Hack-A-Biedrins is such a bummer. Andris is a wonderful guy. He has been working so hard to regain the game he had before the free throw issues and he is a good defensive player, a solid rebounder and a great pick setter. He could really help this team. However, he can’t shoot free throws. Over the past four seasons he was 19-80 from the line and tonight Mike Malone the former Warriors assistant fouled him intentionally three straight possessions and he only hit 1 of the 6 free throws. His body language drooped and he looked terribly depressed as he went to the bench. It has to be embarrassing. It is really a sad tale and having the yipes . It has happened in all sports. It means that any time the opponent is in the penalty Ty can’t put him on the floor and the Jazz could have used him tonight to help on Cousins.
Let him play. Cousins was in foul trouble. Let them hack them. You only have so many fouls.
Trey Burke had a really good first quarter bouncing back from the game in Portland. He came out rebounding, passing and helping get his teammates involved. It was a really nice display of point guard basketball. He finished with 19 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists and 2 steals. He went to the line 7 time which is great since he had only been 9 times coming into the game. He only hit 5 of 19 shooting however.
Typical shooting night. He has to get the ball to others unless he is hitting shots.
Alec Burks put together another solid outing. He is still wasting too many possessions and it shows tonight in 5 turnovers. That is a ton and their were a few other mistakes as well. I am not trying to single him out in a way but this is the next step. Scoring 19 points is great, getting to the line 29 times in the last 6 games is how he is going to be successful. These are terrific steps from where he was two weeks ago but he needs to make sure he keeps pushing and round out his game.
Hayward 6 of 17 – 35% over the last 11 games. It is tough tonight Sacramento had defensive players marking him every possession, they doubled and bumped him when he came around screens. Without Favors or Marvin there weren’t a lot of pick and roll opportunities though he hit Kanter on one or two plays. Salmons came in at the end of the game for the sole purpose of guarding G and shutting him down. Hayward hit some huge 4th quarter shots on Derrick Williams and 6 big 4th quarter points. But the overtime he didn’t get a shot. Sacramento wasn;t going to allow it.
Jeremy Evans had another game that showed he can be a rotation player and at the same time showed playing front level talent it was hard for him as Thompson went right at him and got him in foul trouble.
He's a back-up but could be a very good one it appears.
Isaiah Thomas is a stud – 11 straight points at one point – 23 in 2nd half and overtime.
There was a lot of great effort tonight, chase down block by Hayward, solid screen outs in 2nd half and more. Simply undermanned and wore out as the night went on.
Will have to go look at the final plays to see where the defense broke down. Have a safe night
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Ty the Bold: Keeping with the theme of smaller lineups, a big hats off to Ty Corbin. The oft-embattled coach has given his doubters something to chew on in recent weeks, injecting some creativity and unpredictability into his lineups that was basically unheard-of for Jazz basketball. I touched on small lineups last week in my piece about Utah’s offensive evolution over the years, and Corbin appears fully committed to them as more games pass. The Burke-Favors-Hayward-Jefferson-Williams lineup that started several consecutive games before Marvin’s DNP-Injury on Wednesday against Indiana is now the second-most used lineup for Utah this season, and should become the most used within a few games assuming Williams isn’t out long. This group is still scoring at the rate of a bottom-10 offense league-wide (an interesting note: this same lineup with Dionte Garrett in place of Burke is massacring opponents by 33.4 points-per-100 in 26 minutes this year – it could be interesting to see more of this unit), but it’s a whole lot closer to league average than it is to “worst offense of all time.” Big credit to Corbin for having the moxie to turn some things upside-down, and in the process maximize his team’s talents.
So much for a riot? Praise for Ty? I'm not happy with everything he does but I see him continuing to evolve and not set in his ways like Jerry was.
They Forgot About Trey: Of course, any praise for Corbin’s work from the sidelines comes with a big thank-you to Trey Burke for his work on the court. The rookie has been everything expected of him and more
Not sure about that. He was pegged as rookie of the year, great shooter etc. We've seen low turnovers and some clutch shots but he doesn't look like the best rookie pg let alone the best rookie and he's been a streaky shooter at best.
, his return to the team from injury coinciding almost perfectly with Utah’s improvement offensively. In 12 games without him, the Jazz scored a league-worst 92.2 points-per-100; since his return on November 20th, they’re up to 103.1, a ridiculous 10.9 point discrepancy. And this is just for the Jazz as a whole – when Burke is actually on the court, the number rises to 105.0, a number that would rank above league average. Think about that for a second. For an offense to go from league-worst to league-average largely due to a single player is remarkable enough, but if that player is a rookie? Forget about it. His main weapon comes via the pick-and-roll, where Burke is 7th in the NBA in efficiency when finishing possessions as the ball handler, per MySynergySports.
Wasn't just him. The whole team got healthy.
This is one of Burke’s favorite tactics – he simply runs the defenders out of position. He may not be Russ Westbrook, but the guy has some wheels, and he makes teams pay for ignoring that fact. A high percentage of his pick-and-roll buckets come this way, often involving great patience and a remarkable ability (for his age) to read angles and opposing defenses. But when teams load up to stop him coming around the corner, watch what happens:
You can’t go under his screens, and you can’t lag off him for even a second – something Phoenix found out the hard way as Burke all but iced the game with that triple. He’s shooting an even 50% on threes out of the pick-and-roll per Synergy…so you’ve got to close hard, right? Not so fast:
WHOOPS! GET FROZEN, AARON BROOKS!! Sorry, just couldn’t resist throwing that in there in case anyone thought the handles might have been lacking. The man is just mean. Allow me one more:
Pay particular attention to his hesitation dribble as he gets into the lane; this is Chris Paul-esque, magic stuff that a high percentage of NBA point guards simply don’t have in their arsenal. Ditto for his excellent court vision and a remarkable cross-court pass to Jefferson (who I yelled at for ruining such a gorgeous play by missing), over Roy Hibbert and Paul George just in case it wasn’t tough enough already. He has work to do defensively just like every Jazz player, but this is an NBA-ready point guard on offense.
If efficiency isn't your thing and it has been in Utah for a long time.
The things this guy could do out of the pick-and-roll with a strong shooting cast around him are mouth-watering.
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• Evans Lift-Off: As David J Smith noted a couple weeks ago, Jeremy Evans has always been something of an advanced stats intrigue. His per-minute numbers have always exceeded his real productivity, but in his first year receiving some real court time he seems to be keeping up a fairly crazy rate of production. As of this writing, Evans sits 17th in PER league-wide of guys playing over 100 minutes. He’s shooting 72% (!!) on just over five shots a game, and his per-36-minute rebounding numbers are just short of Kanter’s. And then, of course, there’s stuff like this a few times a game:
Evans is still a project, but appears poised to make a serious leap this year. His defensive IQ could stand to improve, but again this is a problem across the board for Utah. If he can continue even a portion of this sort of offensive success, though, expect to see a lot more of him.
• Goal for the Next 10: With so much improvement offensively, it would really be great to see Corbin start to work with his team on the other end of the court. The smaller lineups have brought some needed energy to the offense, but they’ve likewise done no favors for the defense, which continues to operate at bottom-five levels. It’ll be interesting to see if Corbin can bring things up in this area as well, and that’s what I’m looking forward to most for the next 10 games. Cheers, Jazz fans, and a happy holiday season to all.
That could eventually be Ty's downfall if anything. Lindsey said D was the foundation and with Favors instead of Al they were expected to be better at that end.
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1. Indiana’s defense, designed to force mid-range shots, did so by minimizing scrambling rotations.
Perhaps the main ingredient to Indiana’s defensive success is how they discourage teams from taking high-efficiency shots. They certainly did that tonight: the Jazz made 0 corner threes in the game, and shot just 11 overall. Furthermore, Utah shot 28 shots within the restricted area, making 13 of those around the basket shots. The midrange shots that Utah had in the first half generally went in, and in the second half, they generally didn’t. The second half was especially effective, as the Jazz scored just 19 in both the 3rd and 4th quarters.
How do the Pacers do this? Vogel says the secret is “eliminating rotations”. The goal is to “try to handle all of the action you see in the half court without getting into a chain reaction of rotations”. Jazz fans are certainly familiar with this chain reaction, as the team ends up scrambling in many defensive possessions, thus giving up an easy shot at the rim or the 3 point line.
So what’s the process to becoming an elite defensive team? According to Vogel, “Step 1 is to get good defensive players. Our starting five are all exceptional at guarding their own position. From that point forward, it’s urgency and having guys who care.” Dennis Lindsey is trying to build that same defensive core in Utah, but in both personnel and scheming, there’s much work to be done.
The fact that Favors was supposedly paid on his elite defensive skills is the most worrisome thing. He hasn't been anywhere near elite.
2. The young Core Five played together on the floor for the first time.
With Trey Burke’s return, it had been a possibility for over two weeks, but until tonight, Coach Corbin had chosen to generally play either Favors or Kanter at center against teams with smaller lineups. Against the more sizable Pacers, and with power forwards Marvin Williams and Jeremy Evans out, Corbin played the promising young lineup of Burke/Burks/Hayward/Favors/Kanter in their first NBA minutes together as a group. The lineup played 7 minutes together, including roughly 4:30 to end the game, and generally played well, beating the Pacers by 7 points overall when they were in the game. 7 minutes is actually quite a bit for a non-starting lineup to play together, and in this season of discovery, Ty Corbin might be well served to see how the young group plays together by getting them in the starting lineup. Doing so would generally mean at least 12 minutes together per game as a group to gel, allowing the front office to learn the group’s strengths and weaknesses when playing together.
Might be Evans and/or Gobert as part of that core eventually.
3. Utah’s elevation tired the Pacers out.
This is always a factor when teams come to Salt Lake City, but rarely do multiple players on a team comment about it as a limitation after the same game. Pacers star Paul George, who was limited to just 19 points after a 43 point explosion on Monday, commented, “It was so hard to find my wind. My chest was burning. I tried to play through it and just find a way to get a win tonight.” Things were even worse for Roy Hibbert, who suffers from asthma. Hibbert said, “I’m going to be honest, the altitude because of my asthma kind of kicked me in the rear to begin with. It’s not an excuse, but you have to get in here a couple of days before hand and practice hard to get adjusted to it. I talked to some people and went through some methods to get through it.”
Even with a day off between games, the Jazz’s location allowed them to get an advantage on an opposing team. I wrote about this on SLCDunk last year: the top two teams, statistically, in terms of home-court advantage in the NBA are Denver and Utah. I’ll leave it to you to find the common denominator between the two franchises.
Will Stevens and the Celtics try to land Hayward? If Hayward agrees to an offer from another team, the Jazz can match and retain Hayward. "I'm a Jazz guy and love being here. You just play basketball and that stuff will take care of itself," he said. USA Today Sports
While embracing and adjusting to his new role, he is also turning into Utah's vocal leader. He was bothered that teammates forgot to set screens or didn't know what play to run and said so. "I got after some guys during the game," Hayward said. "If we don't execute our offense, we're not good enough yet individually to take guys one-on-one. When we start standing around, it makes it difficult for everybody. We have to continually move and make sure we're running our plays." The question is, will Hayward be the go-to-guy and vocal leader for the next several seasons? The Jazz and Hayward failed to reach a deal on an extension at the start of the season, and Hayward can become a restricted free agent at the end of the season. USA Today Sports
The new role has resulted in increased minutes and shots for Hayward, who has struggled with his shooting in the first five weeks of the season as he adjusts to an increased role. "It's a bigger role, and I accept the challenge for sure," Hayward told USA TODAY Sports. "It's exciting to have that opportunity in front of you. I'm doing a better job facilitating and making plays for others. I just haven't shot the ball well this season. Hopefully that picks up and I'll be doing all right.:" USA Today Sports
He's a slow starter. I expect he'll finish strong again.
Rookie point guard Trey Burke continues to have a major impact on the Jazz.
Burke averages 12.6 points, 3.4 rebounds and 3.4 assists since returning from a fractured finger that sidelined him for the first 12 games of the season.
The Jazz are 3-2 in Burke’s five starts, and he finished with 21 points and a team-high six assists in Monday night’s 109-103 win over Houston.
When the Jazz traded up in last summer’s draft to get Burke with the No. 9 pick, general manager Dennis Lindsey credited Corbin for targeting him.
With Burke playing so well, however, Corbin deflected the praise to Lindsey, vice president of basketball operations Kevin O’Connor and vice president of player personnel Walt Perrin, among others.
"I appreciate [that] comment," Corbin said. "But Dennis and his group — Kevin and Walt and those guys — they do a great job of figuring out what’s best for this franchise. … They do it all year long — finding guys and figuring out where they rank."
What was Corbin’s role in trading up to get Burke?
"I knew we needed a point guard — a young point guard to grow with this group," he said with a shrug. "Trey was ranked one of the best guys [in the draft], if not the best."
He was rated best. Looks like he may not be the best though.