The final score certainly doesn’t tell the story tonight the Jazz lead this game with 10:00 left 73-72 but then it all feel apart. On the offensive end the Jazz shot 4 of 18 in the 4th quarter and didn’t hit a three point shot. The offensive rating for the 4th quarter was 67.4.
Jazz first quarter was terrific. They got out and ran, they got stops defensively, they defensive rebounded. The offensive rating was 109.9 well above the league average. This is about as well as the Jazz can play. However, from that point on the Jazz never got rolling again. The offense disappeared, the next three quarters the rating was 87,97 and then the killer 67.
Gordon Hayward scored 12 points in the first quarter but the Nuggets started double teaming Hayward off every pick roll. Hayward showed some signs of understanding how to deal with this late in the game as he rolled out to the logo to pull the defender with him forcing a switch to create the mismatch down low. These are the things he is going to have learn as teams take him away. In addition, he showed tonight how to go fast at times to beat the double team.
If I'm the other team I make someone else beat you. G is the only guy they have bringing it every night.
Derrick Favors hit 4 jump shots tonight. He didn’t have 4 for the season coming in. Two of them were baseline jumpers over the defender. Nice looks. Favors had his strongest game of the year. He grabbed the defensive glass and he was a force in the lane. He was the best player on the floor tonight for much of the game.
Probably the best of his career. Rather he can ever put it all together on a consistent basis remains to be seen.
Tyrone is trying lots of different looks. In the first half he went with Marvin as the stretch 4 and he nailed two three’s but when Favors got in foul trouble Kanter was unable to grab enough of the defensive glass to make the line-up work. Then in the 2nd half he went to Gobert to try to cover the rebounding inadequacies of the team.
If Ty can let the game dictate his moves like that on the fly he'll be a lot better off. Might just be desperation right now. Throw Biedrins and Evans into that mix and he'll have more options. Gobert didn't do much and he's been awful offensively though I guess we can't expect much from Biedrins there either.
Kanter must become a better defensive rebounder. MUST. He had 2 tonight in 32 minutes. At one point Corbin had to take him out to bring in Gobert to rebound. Gobert playing the 4th quarter of a close game was a crazy idea during the draft process but credit to Rudy for working as hard as he has.
It's crazy now. He needs time in the D-League when they get Biedrins back.
Jazz need a much better Alec Burks. 2 for 9 tonight. Burks is shooting 39% and 22 % from three point range. He has 19 turnovers and 19 assists The crazy thing is how long it takes him to get into the game. Every night he seems to be 8 minutes in with an 0 for 3 start and then he gets going. He simply has to come ready to play or find a way to be more effective early. The door is open for Alec and he is a very important part of this team. He has been given a scoring play making roll and out of Colorado I really believed he was good enough to play this role. Hopefully, he can get it going.
Might have to start him? Not sure what you do with the bench in that case? G is playing too good to bring him off the bench. Burke when healthy might be the way to go initially anyway. D-League rehab assignment might make sense for him when he comes back too.
Offense is going to be a struggle all year. At times tonight they looked much better but lots of open shots are being missed. Lots of plays with really good execution and then no dividends. The defense was great in the 1st and then slipped as the night went on. The defensive rating needs to be below 103 and the quarter by quarter was 88,116,106,133. It is hard to be good defensively when your offense is struggling.
Pelicans play Tuesday night in LA maybe we can get #1 on Wednesday
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Looking like might be 0-17 when Phoenix comes to town at the end of the month? Way to go Lindsey master tanker.
whom are they going to beat? There’s New Orleans on Wednesday, a possible win, and another meeting with the Pelicans on Nov. 20, but the second one is on the road.
Looks like their best chance until Phoenix and New Orleans should beat them.
On Monday ESPN listed its ongoing “Worst NBA Teams Ever” chart. Leading the way were the 9-73 Philadelphia 76ers of 1972-73. But the Jazz didn’t get a pass. By extrapolating current records over an 82-game season, the site had the one-win Nuggets claiming 16 games this season. The Jazz? Zero-and-82.
Although that is far-fetched, you never know. The nine-win Sixers lost their first 15 games — which would seem to give the Jazz some breathing room. Later that year Philadelphia lost 21 straight. The 1992-93 Mavericks and the 1997-98 Nuggets both won just 11 games. Denver lost its first 12 that year, but the Mavericks got their first win in Game 4.
The worst start ever belongs to the 2009-10 New Jersey Nets, who lost 18 games to begin, finishing 12-70. The 2010-11 Cleveland Cavaliers actually won their opener but later in the year set a record 26-game losing streak.
These are definitely looking like possibilities.
They escaped the season with 19 wins.
That’s a number the Jazz might be hard-pressed to reach.
Even more disconcerting than the records are the statistics. The Jazz’s eight-game averages are worse than the aforementioned bottom-feeders. Their field goal percentage, 3-point percentage, free-throw percentage, turnover and scoring averages are all the same or worse than any of history’s most embarrassing teams.
The only good news on Monday was that 2013 draft pick Trey Burke has been cleared for more activity.
Remains to be seen how good of news that is. Diante Garrett could be a a good barometer as to if Burke is better than a good D-leaguer anyway.
Meanwhile, Utah’s average losing margin of nearly 14 points is worse than all the aforementioned teams, excepting the 1992-93 Mavericks, who lost by 15 points a game. The historic Sixers team only lost by an average of 12.
On one hand, there is hope for future Jazz teams, though this one is debatable. They aren’t a dysfunctional, aging, waiting-to-be-traded team, as were some past NBA teams. They will have big cap money and a high draft pick next summer.
And might lose their best player to restricted free agency.
But it’s also possible their core players really are just complementary talents, not the franchise players Jazz fans hope. Gordon Hayward had 18 first-half points but only 22 on the night.
I think ideally he's not going to be a go to guy in the future. He'll fill the stat sheet.
The Jazz hung close through three quarters. But a 13-point fourth was their demise. The signs of a bad/young/flabbergasted team were everywhere, from Derrick Favors knocking an open rebound out of bounds, to Rudy Gobert getting worked by veteran Andre Miller
Hopefully he'll be in the D-League soon and they will get a couple more injured vets out there.
, to Anthony Randolph going top to bottom for an uncontested dunk on the Jazz.
History indeed waits, but it’s the kind the Jazz would just as soon ignore.
Trey Burke isn’t ready to begin practicing with the Utah Jazz quite yet, but the rookie point guard has been given the green light to do more basketball activity.
Burke, who fractured his right index finger on Oct. 12, had his much-anticipated medical re-evaluation Monday afternoon, and Jazz coach Tyrone Corbin seemed pleased with the results.
The Jazz didn’t announce whether or not the pins inserted into Burke’s finger on his shooting hand have been removed. The 21-year-old will be re-evaluated by his surgeon, Dr. Douglas Hutchinson, on Nov. 25.
“I guess it’s as good as it can be. He’s progressed to doing a little bit more activity,” Corbin said during his pregame interview Monday night.
Burke has been granted medical clearance to begin doing light dribbling and some shooting and passing to test how the finger responds to pushing the basketball away from his hand.
That, Corbin said, is “good news for us, so we can go up to the next step with him.”
Burke will participate in one-on-one workouts, Corbin explained. The training staff will closely monitor Burke’s pain level during and after workouts.
“The key will be the next day to see how much swelling and pain he has in it,” Corbin said. “While he’s doing it, if there’s pain, we’ll have to pull back.”
Burke has been positive throughout his injury absence. He progressed enough in recent weeks that he was allowed to remove his specialized splint other than when doing conditioning drills and sleeping.
Last week, Burke was cleared to begin running.
As can be expected, Burke’s teammates look forward to his return.
“He’s a competitive player. He wants to get back on the floor. He wants to help us a lot,” Jazz power forward Derrick Favors said. “I just hope he takes his time and heals properly before he comes back. Hopefully, he don’t reinjure it again.”
Scattered boos were audible as the buzzer sounded at the end of Monday night’s game at EnergySolutions Arena.
Losing is what a tank involves. It's funny. People call for them to tank and than boo when it happens.
Unfortunately for the Utah Jazz, the final horn was also accompanied by another lopsided loss.
The latest defeat in the Jazz’s season of setbacks came against the Denver Nuggets, who confounded Utah in the fourth quarter and ran away with a 100-81 win.
In case you’ve changed the channel from Jazz games to "Vampire Diaries" or C-SPAN and lost count at home, that’s eight straight losses to begin the rebuilding campaign of 2013-14 for Utah.
“Right now,” Jazz forward Richard Jefferson said, “we’re not a good team.”
On the road? At home? Strong opponent? Flailing foe?
It hasn’t made a difference.
For the sixth-straight game, the Jazz have been outscored by double digits after 48 minutes of basketball.
To their credit, they keep inventing new ways to botch potential positive outcomes.
This time, it was the fourth quarter that kept them in contention for the worst start in franchise history, which you certainly know by now came in the inaugural season in New Orleans back in 1974.
That team did have a star but gave up any other talent they had to get him.
“The guys were playing hard,” Jazz coach Tyrone Corbin said. “(We) just made some critical mistakes in that fourth quarter. … It’s tough to overcome.”
Trailing by just two after three quarters, and appearing poised to challenge a struggling Denver team down the stretch, the Jazz simply fell apart in the final 12 minutes.
Alec Burks put Utah ahead 73-72 with a three-point play at the 10:18 mark of the fourth quarter before another blowout loss broke loose.
Former University of Utah star point guard Andre Miller, a 37-year-old who put on a clinic against the Jazz’s struggling playmakers, began Denver’s massive finish with a 3-pointer for a 78-74 Nugget lead with 8:29 remaining.
Kenneth Faried followed with a dunk and former Jazz sharpshooter Randy Foye sank a jumper, giving Denver a 7-0 spurt and an eight-point lead.
John Lucas III, who returned to the starting point guard role instead of Jamaal Tinsley, momentarily stopped the visitors’ surge. Momentarily being the key word in that sentence.
The Jazz then only scored five points over the next six minutes and 48 seconds while being pounded into submission. Utah was outscored 30-13 in that final quarter, including 25-7 in the last nine minutes.
“It’s happened to us the past five or six games. We’ve been right there and all of a sudden we have these spurts where we just kind of fall asleep as a team and they turn that into a 10-, 15-point run,” Jazz shooting guard Gordon Hayward said. “That’s what happens in this league. It’s unfortunate. I think we had this one and we just kind of let it slip.”
That slippage happened despite the Jazz taking a 10-point first-half lead while getting a game-high 22 points (but seven turnovers) from Hayward and a strong 21 points and 13 rebounds from Derrick Favors.
While the Jazz continue to have point guard problems in Trey Burke’s absence, the Nuggets got two brilliant performances from their polar-opposite playmakers.
Speedy Ty Lawson scored 17 points with 10 assists, while Miller, the savvy even if slow veteran, came off the bench to score 15 points.
Denver acted like it needed this one even worse than the Jazz after starting the season 1-4.
“They were desperate. We were desperate,” Miller said. “They came out strong and we have been having some slow starts, but we found a way to get into some type of rhythm and not have too many turnovers.”
It helped that Denver also outrebounded Utah 52-35, dished out 18 assists to the Jazz’s paltry 11, and held the NBA’s worst offense to 36 second-half points and 40.3 percent shooting.
The game was the end of a rough five-games-in-seven-nights stretch for Utah. The Jazz have a practice day Tuesday before beginning a three-games-in-four-nights span Wednesday at home against New Orleans.
“(You) see what you did wrong and try to fix those mistakes, but after that you’ve got to move forward,” Hayward said. “We’ve got another team coming in and they’re looking at us without a win thinking they’ve got it easy.”
Eight games into the season, Hayward is averaging a team-high 19.5 points and, in spite of the one-sided losses, was a spark in the recent four-game road trip.
“He’s growing. He’s learning,” Corbin said. “He’s frustrated because we’re not getting the wins in his good play.”
The problem is despite his fringe all-star caliber play he's not what you want as your best player.
On Monday, Hayward scored 12 of the team’s 26 first-quarter points and shot 5 for 6 from the field in the opening 10 minutes. He carried that momentum into the second and third quarters, adding another 10 points while grabbing three rebounds and blocking two shots.
Hayward was scoreless in the final 12 minutes, however, a key symptom to the Jazz scoring a season-low 13 points during the fourth quarter.
“I think they did a better job on the pick-and-rolls,” Hayward said of how the Nuggets adjusted on the defensive end. “They started to blitz the pick-and-roll, and I tried to find the open man when they doubled. They did a lot better job on that and we didn’t get as many stops, so I didn’t get anything in transition really.”
The change in the Denver defense also led to poor mistakes with the ball in his hands.
“Too many turnovers, too many offensive rebounds for them, (giving up) wide-open layups — a lot went wrong,” he said. “I thought that I forced it a little tonight and seven turnovers showed that. So I’ve got to keep the turnovers down and make better decisions.”
The Jazz had 14 turnovers as a team, giving up 17 points, and shot just 22.2 percent in the fourth quarter, a huge drop from their 47.8 percent shooting in the first quarter when Hayward was scoring in transition and finding open paths to the basket in half-court sets.
“(We) focused on him in the second half and were looking to make some plays,” Corbin said, “and we just didn’t make shots.”
The guard added, simply, that to keep that bright spot shining late in the game, “We’ve just got to execute better.”
Sarah Thomas earned a degree in Mathematics from the University of Utah and is currently pursuing an MBA at Westminster College. She has been covering sports for the Deseret News since 2008.
A rusty Burke who will be behind schedule will still be an upgrade — a welcome shot in the arm for a team simply devoid of a point guard presence.
This stuff never gets old! What has he proven at the NBA to say he will be an upgrade. Obviously if you're going to lose you'd just a soon him getting experience assuming he is even good enough to play against back-ups in the league which again he hasn't shown yet.
Tinsley has been a starter in the league though his best days are behind him and he wasn't a good fit. Lucas has also had time as a back-up. Burke nothing. This is a big problem right now. Young guys taking spots on rosters from proven players and forced into line-ups regardless of if they are capable or not.
Battle of the boards: While Denver was without JaVale McGee, the frontcourt of J.J. Hickson and Kenneth Faried combined for 22 rebounds, setting the tone for a dominant rebounding night for the Nuggets. They outdid the Jazz 52-35. Moreover, Denver kept Utah off the offensive rebounds, which has been a positive for the Jazz thus far in the season.
Guard Randy Foye, Utah’s starting shooting guard last year, scored seven points for Denver.
Glad he's gone!
David Smith provides instant analysis for Deseret News' Utah Jazz coverage. He works for LDS Philanthropies and also writes for Salt City Hoops. He can be reached at email@example.com or on Twitter at davidjsmith1232.
You’ve entered the land of the Bobcats, with one exception: Jazz management actually knows what it’s doing to extricate itself. It has a plan, a good plan, a plan that can help the club navigate the jagged realities for a small-market team in the NBA.
It can’t get a star in free agency, so get him through the draft.
It’s up to that management to make the correct decisions presented by their plan, but the plan itself is sound … unless basketball fans around here want to fight for the final playoff spot in the West every year. And they don’t. They want to legitimately contend. This is the dark way to that contention. It’s the only way.
We'll see. They could lose their best player in the summer. That was the Clipper plan for me years. High draft picks. They would leave. Never ending cycle.
If the locker room seemed like a library, that’s what it should be — a place for young minds and young bodies to learn lessons well. Kevin Durant learned those same lessons not so long ago.
According to the standings, the Jazz are the worst team in the league, the only team without a win. Everyone else, except Sacramento, has at least two wins. Phoenix and Philadelphia are leading their divisions. Let the phools have their pholly.
The Jazz are taking the direct path.
After gaining the lead late against the Nuggets on Monday night, they got outscored by 30 points. They missed shots, they fumbled the ball away, they had more turnovers than assists. They did what they’ve been doing since the season started — they played 4-on-5.
With Trey Burke still sidelined with a broken finger — the rookie will start workouts and be reevaluated in a couple of weeks — the Jazz could find no fuel at the most important position on the floor: point guard. Right now, they have no point guard. No offense to John Lucas or Jamaal Tinsley, but those guys bring no offense — or defense. It really is as though the Jazz, every night, are playing a man down, and in the NBA that gets you beat every night.
Against the Nugs, Lucas and Tinsley combined for four points and five assists while Ty Lawson and Andre Miller totaled 32 points and 11 assists. The Jazz have to continue to take advantage of that lopsided situation at the point — by losing at every opportunity. They’ll probably keep on losing once Burke is back because he has his lessons to learn, too.
Someone that isn't bowing to Burke's supposed greatness!
The only risk along this path is if the young promising players get discouraged in defeat. But their whispers said otherwise on Monday night.
"I’m good, man," said Favors, who had 21 points, 13 boards and 3 blocked shots. "Just got to stay positive, keep working hard, and get through it. We’ll get a win sooner or later. Got to keep playing hard. Everybody’s staying together. I feel good about my game, I feel comfortable. We’re just going through a rough stretch, but we’re staying motivated."
Said Ty Corbin: "The guys are great. They’re frustrated with losing. We understand we have to get better in situations. We’re making some mistakes that are costing us, but they’re still fighting and I’m pleased with that. This group of guys won’t quit."
Richard Jefferson, a 13-year veteran, said the Jazz know they’re not a good team right now, but confidence isn’t lacking: "It’s just us not executing the way we need to."
Asked about what players must do to weather what he called a "perfect storm," Jefferson said, "You have to be a man. We’re paid to perform." He added that, as presently constituted, the Jazz are "young men … you have to go through this … we have quality, talented young players. There’s a lot of great young players in this league who are now all-stars that are carrying playoff teams that struggled early on. …
"You don’t see us holding our heads, we’re not fighting, we’re not arguing with coaches. There’s not a fragile psyche. We just got to get a win."
They don’t even need that.
They just have to improve as time goes on and keep a good attitude. They have to survive — and pick the right player in next year’s draft. Everybody outside the locker room has to forget about winning, stay focused on the plan and enjoy the ride.
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The Jazz are the worst shooting team in the history of the NBA since the adoption of the 3 point line. Their 40.1 FG% and 42.4 eFG%, if extended out to a whole season, would be worse than any team since the 1975-76 Chicago Bulls. The Jazz’s shooting woes showed again tonight, finishing with a shooting percentage of just 40.3%, and only 17.6% from 3. It’s just impossible to win games while making that few of shots.
Things were slightly better until the 4th quarter, as the Jazz entered in with an excellent (for them) 45 FG%! However, things quickly unraveled, as the Jazz scored just 13 points in the 4th, allowed 30, and lost a game by 19 despite leading for a period in the 4th quarter. How? Well, it’s the shooting.
That’s the Jazz’s 4th quarter shooting. They finished 4-18 for the quarter, and the closest shot they made was from 2 feet. The Jazz were 0-10 from outside the key. That’s how they lost the game.
2. The Jazz’s pick and roll defense remains inconsistent.
Another stat discussed on the Saturday Show this week was this sobering statistic about the Jazz’s defense: despite playing ostensibly better pick and roll defenders this season, the Jazz are actually the worst team in the league according to Synergy Sports at containing ball-handlers, allowing 0.93 PPP when teams finish a play with the pick and roll point guard or wing. On the other hand, the Jazz were actually best in the league at stopping the roll man on the pick and roll. Given Corbin’s strategy to generally trap the ball-handler, this seemingly doesn’t make sense, as you would think that double-teaming the ball-handler would be a surefire way to stop him, even at the expense of other counter-actions. Does this reflect the Jazz’s strategy?
I asked Ty Corbin about this before the game. Interestingly, Ty Corbin seemed to know what I was going to ask even before I finished my sentence; he was clearly aware of the statistics of how good the Jazz were against the roll man and how bad they were against the ball-handler. Interestingly, he said that the Jazz’s approach “depends on who’s in [the pick and roll]“; tonight, with Ty Lawson in the game, he wants the big man to “attack the screen where it happens”. The Jazz actually did a decent job at this, allowing Denver screen users to score only 0.87 PPP tonight. Unfortunately, they instead allowed Hickson and Faried to score 61% of plays in which they received the ball after the pick. Basically, it doesn’t seem as if the Jazz have figured this out quite yet: they don’t have an established and successful identity on the pick and roll, despite the unique skills of Favors.
Perhaps driven by the Jazz’s decision not to extend his contract, Hayward led the team in shots in the first week plus of the season, at 115 attempts (16.4 per game).
Sounds like that was the plan all along and since Kanter and Burks aren't really ready to carry the load consistency there isn't much choice.
After starting slowly, he’s becoming more efficient, going 35 of 69 on the road trip. Even so, those games were clear losses. Hayward is the acknowledged leader of the team, but sometimes he can best use that leadership by directing the ball elsewhere, primarily the post. His 6.6 rebounds, 4.7 assists, and 1.3 steals per game show he can contribute in other ways. To prove his worth, Hayward doesn’t have win games for the Jazz with elite scoring – he just has to help the team win games with his all around play. Sometimes that means shoot the right shot, other times pass, always defend, and sometimes it even means deferring to someone else. Just make the right play.
Hard to complain about the way he's been playing. He needs help. A lot of it!
Kanter claims can be extremely important going forward. But taking the rebound straight back up into a waiting defender’s hand isn’t helpful. If there are guys around Kanter, he shouldn’t feel obligated to do his best Al Jefferson impression and slick and trick his way to an unblocked shot. Just pass it out and let the offense run again. He’ll get his shots.
That's something he's working on. It will come. Unlike Favors I have faith in Kanter. He has showed huge and continual improvement since they got him.
If Lucas is going to contribute to this team, it needs to be by spacing the floor and hitting some threes. He’s a career 36% shooter from three; it’s a job he can do given the open shots he gets on a team with numerous better offensive options. Unfortunately, starting in the Houston game he responded to his cold slump from 3 (one of his last 11 at that point) by taking more long two point shots, some difficult runners out of isolation. The Jazz don’t need Lucas to get his own. In fact, they need him NOT to get his own. Instead, they need him to do the one thing his career shows he can do: space the floor and hit the open three. That’s his shot on this team, and he needs to take it and not take too much else. His only chance to earn his keep is to restrain himself to his constructive role in the Jazz offense.
Good luck with that. He is a chucker. Don't see that changing. His 3's have come in garbage time mostly too. Can he really shoot at all?
Gobert has been an exercise in the erratic to start his NBA career, as expected. But there’s no question he changes shots anywhere in his vicinity. He’d do so more often if he understood his arms are so incredibly long they can be a defensive factor even when he hasn’t a clue what’s going on (which happens fairly routinely to the rookie).
And happened to Eaton throughout his career. Saw Eaton in the stands. I wonder how their reaches compare?
Harris is looking like this team’s DeMarre Carroll, or the closest available equivalent. But if he wants to maintain a role on the court all year long, he’s going to have to measure his effort and physicality in order to limit his fouls.
Doubt he'll be on the team come January and if they are healthy he'll be on the bench though he's still a better option than Marvin..
I wish we had seen a little more of Clark already, and hope he gets more opportunity before Burke returns from injury.
In the D-League with Gobert!
When talking about mistakes and areas of growth, Corbin should include himself, informing Jazz fans about his own improving understanding and proficiency with his young team. By attributing team struggles to “we” and the successes largely to “they,” meaning the players, not only can he strengthen his relationships with his young team, but he will help fans see his own development pacing that of the players. Who knows, a few fans might even start cheering for him as well.
Everyone Else on the Roster
My advice: Get healthy. And NO BOWLING! (See: Bynum, Andrew)
They will never cheer for Ty. Sloan's legacy will live on.
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He's like a young Tinsley. Doesn't really solve the problem of them playing 4 on 5 because they are leaving their pg wide open. Hopefully the new guy can hit shots. Couldn't find his 3 stats from the D-league last year. Shot good in college one year.