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Old 02-21-2014, 05:53 PM   #31
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On actual social issues, like gun rights, abortion, gay rights, etc. they differ a lot. Eg schwarzenegger was actually quite liberal by national standards.


More like the Republicans have swing so far right that the average Repub from 15 or so years ago would get called RINO.
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Old 02-21-2014, 05:58 PM   #32
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I am not that familiar with cali politics, but I thought dems were pretty dominant in that state?

Also even if they leaned republican there is a difference between a north eastern republican (Eg. Romney, Giuliani, Christie, etc) and a deep south or midwest republican (Demint, Santorum, Ted Cruz, John Cornyn, etc) . I am sure that same applies for california.

On actual social issues, like gun rights, abortion, gay rights, etc. they differ a lot. Eg schwarzenegger was actually quite liberal by national standards.


The state as a WHOLE votes democratic, but it actually really isn't. The coastal areas, in particular the Bay Area/Silicon Valley, and LA to San Diego plus all the metro areas, are very very liberal and democratic. Far and away the rest of the state is actually HIGHLY conservative, believe it or not. There is tons and tons of agriculture and farming in CA, and farmers tend to be the same type of red regardless of where they're located. Yes, the deep south republican may not be the same as the CA republican but you can be damn sure they'd agree on a good number of issues.

If you were to split CA into an East/West (or rather, Coastal/Inland) you would see that the West is highly liberal and the East would be extremely conservative. The overall appearance doesn't seem that way to non-Californians since the part of the state that gets projected to the rest of the world is SF(Bay Area)/LA/SD.

Just like most people (me included) don't know **** about the state of New York, in fact the general perception is that
"New York as a whole in terms of political demographics must be like NYC" but I'm sure that isn't the case.

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Old 02-21-2014, 06:04 PM   #33
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splitting cali into 6 states would give cali 12 senators.

that would totally unbalance the senate and gave liberals dominance in the country. I would be ok with this, but it hardly seems fair.

Not really.

Central California is dominated by conservatives. Only north and south are more liberal.
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Old 02-21-2014, 07:09 PM   #34
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Not really.

Central California is dominated by conservatives. Only north and south are more liberal.
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The state as a WHOLE votes democratic, but it actually really isn't. The coastal areas, in particular the Bay Area/Silicon Valley, and LA to San Diego plus all the metro areas, are very very liberal and democratic. Far and away the rest of the state is actually HIGHLY conservative, believe it or not. There is tons and tons of agriculture and farming in CA, and farmers tend to be the same type of red regardless of where they're located. Yes, the deep south republican may not be the same as the CA republican but you can be damn sure they'd agree on a good number of issues.

If you were to split CA into an East/West (or rather, Coastal/Inland) you would see that the West is highly liberal and the East would be extremely conservative. The overall appearance doesn't seem that way to non-Californians since the part of the state that gets projected to the rest of the world is SF(Bay Area)/LA/SD.

Just like most people (me included) don't know **** about the state of New York, in fact the general perception is that
"New York as a whole in terms of political demographics must be like NYC" but I'm sure that isn't the case.

I still say that overall it will push senate to the left. A conservative from california is not nearly as right wing as a conservative from texas.

Mitt Romney for example donated to planned parenthood (also the ACA is basically his healthcare plan plagiarized by the obama administration)
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As the Republican nominees continue to support the Komen Foundation, one of the candidates has a past that he wishes he didn't exist. Mitt Romney is known for his constant flip-flopping on issues, abortion being one of them, but no one seems to be talking about his past with Planned Parenthood. While Romney was running for Senate in 1994, The Boston Globe reports that Mitt Romney and his wife wrote a check to Planned Parenthood showing their support and even attending a fundraiser. Romney was pro-choice during his time running for Senate and during his time as Governor of Massachusetts, but knowing the radical stance of Republicans on the issue Romney has changed his views in hopes of winning the Republican presidential nominee.
http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt...-flip-flopping

Obviously that was devastating for his support on a national level, in terms of a conservative base.

A bunch of republicans from california will be considerably different than a bunch of republicans from the south or the midwest. Splitting california into 6 states will push the senate to the left.
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Old 02-21-2014, 07:25 PM   #35
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I still say that overall it will push senate to the left. A conservative from california is not nearly as right wing as a conservative from texas.

Mitt Romney for example donated to planned parenthood (also the ACA is basically his healthcare plan plagiarized by the obama administration)

http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt...-flip-flopping

Obviously that was devastating for his support on a national level, in terms of a conservative base.

A bunch of republicans from california will be considerably different than a bunch of republicans from the south or the midwest. Splitting california into 6 states will push the senate to the left.

Eh. We're underrepresented as it is now in the Senate. Yes, Senate vs. House and all that, but still. Yes, you can't technically be underrepresented in the Senate. But still.
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Old 02-21-2014, 08:53 PM   #36
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Rich Californians trying to offload poorer parts of California. Silicon Valley folks not wanting their taxes going to others.
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Old 02-21-2014, 08:55 PM   #37
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I still say that overall it will push senate to the left. A conservative from california is not nearly as right wing as a conservative from texas.

Mitt Romney for example donated to planned parenthood (also the ACA is basically his healthcare plan plagiarized by the obama administration)

http://www.examiner.com/article/mitt...-flip-flopping

Obviously that was devastating for his support on a national level, in terms of a conservative base.

A bunch of republicans from california will be considerably different than a bunch of republicans from the south or the midwest. Splitting california into 6 states will push the senate to the left.
If you create republican-dominated rural states they will elect southern-like republicans no matter where you put them. Moderate republicans won't rise to the top in a truly conservative district.
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:02 PM   #38
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Rich Californians trying to offload poorer parts of California. Silicon Valley folks not wanting their taxes going to others.

Silicon Valley is only one part of CA. The bigger issue is that the CA budget is straight fvcked and **** can't get done due to the ballot measure system, not silicon valley.
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:07 PM   #39
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I am not that familiar with cali politics, but I thought dems were pretty dominant in that state?


That is because LA and San Fran have huge portions of the population that are liberal. Like every state, big cities tend to be liberal and more rural areas tend to be conservative. You split the state into 6, and some of those states will consist mostly of rural areas that would vote republican.
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:33 PM   #40
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This ain't happening.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:24 AM   #41
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Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light

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Red and purple would be the methiest shithole ever.
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Old 02-22-2014, 02:03 AM   #42
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All except Yellow and Green would be poor and shitty states.

Actually, Orange is somewhere in the middle with San Diego and Palm Springs.
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Old 02-22-2014, 02:42 AM   #43
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Damn, imagine the politicians having to make the rounds to each Californian state for the next presidential election

Oh wait, it's a blue state so no one cares
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Old 02-22-2014, 05:29 AM   #44
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Never gonna happen. They discussed splitting the state about a decade ago... then the southern counties realized they get all their water from the northern counties.
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Old 02-22-2014, 06:56 AM   #45
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It makes perfect sense for the right to push for this.

You take three major blue states (Cali, Wash, and Colo) that have red pockets and you 'liberate' those red pockets, you've just created at least six more GOP senators.

They gerrymandered the **** out of the electoral districts, why not do the same with the senate?
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