Originally Posted by Connor B
Given how big the market is, how huge and loyal the fans seem to be, how iconic their arena is, how much history their supposedly is, and how many greats have come through...
They still haven't won since 1973.
Yeah the Bucks might technically suck more, or the Bobcats, take your pick, but those are small markets that we shouldn't expect to be great. the Knicks though? You would think NY would be like L.A. where you can never rule them out because the popularity and money is there. I can't possibly believe James Dolan is that bad of an owner or their GMs have been that poor. I know Isiah was shit and I know they've had some other bad people but at the end of the day how is it possible for a team to be so disappointing?
The Knicks are like a fat guy who goes to a super nice gym with state of the art equipment and after 40 years at the gym he is still fat. Its just proposterous. Yeah he may have had a few bad trainers and the owner might be crazy, but at the end of the day the gym is still way too nice for anyone to suck.
You're not being fair to the team. They haven't been good since Riley and Van Gundy left other than a slight resurgence under Donnie Walsh.
I do not think it's fair to discredit the whole history of the franchise simply because of the level of mismanagement we're seeing now.
Whenever there has been a great basketball mind at the helm (and someone that can install discipline) the Knicks have been a very good team and great to watch for basketball purists. I loved those 90's Knicks teams. The problem is personnel, and the idea that success should be achieved right away. Dolan is too concerned with hot names, and competing with the Nets.
They need to rebuild, and to start now. There are lottery teams that want to compete that would take Melo - but he won't go there. I think the real idea is to trade him to Houston. Next year Lin and Asik have massive expiring deals. I would send Chandler and Anthony for Asik and Lin. I would also want a first round pick and Donitas Motiejunas.
Why so little coming back? The Knicks need to be bad. I don't even know what picks they still own though, so this may be a bad idea.
The other idea is to try again next year. How? Stoudemire, Anthony, Bargnani and Chandler will all be HUGE expiring deals. They could take Sanders and Mayo off the Bucks hands for Stoudemire, and look to grab Josh Smith for Bargnani or Chandler's expiring deal. Or look to get a guy like McGee and Lawson for expirings and picks. They need to trade any assets like Hardaway Jr. for defenders. Melo should have a team built around him like Iverson did in Philly. The Knicks need to do EVERYTHING they can to draft players like Patric Young and Aaron Craft. Guys that play hard nosed Knicks style D that will know their roles right away. They need to go after Jimmer as well. It helps to have a player on your team that people like. Maybe trade JR Smith for Biyombo as a project. Fire Woodsen. Offer JVG an offer he can't refuse (hire him as GM as well). Bring back Patrick Ewing as an assistant coach. Hire Shaka Smart as an assistant on a huge salary. Fire the GM, fire Allan Houston as well. Offer Kyle Lowry a salary starting at $10 million a year and work out a sign and trade with the Raptors. Sign Dimitris Diamantidis to the MLE
Ideally, the Knicks could magnum
out a whole new team:
CT: Sanders/ Biyombo/ Young
PF: Smith/ Ilyasova
SF: Anthony/ Shumpert
SG: Diamantidis/ Mayo
PG: Lowry/ Craft/ Fredette
Defense, athleticism, shooting. That's a team that can cause match-up problems all over the floor