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Old 03-07-2007, 04:37 AM   #16
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According to the Mexican government illegals are here to do the "jobs that not even blacks want to do" , so it's all good apparently.
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:56 AM   #17
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Illegal immigrants are good, very good, for our economy. I'm not going to go in to the long explanation as to how and why, as most of you probably wouldnt understand even having it explained to you. Go to college, take Econ classes (from a Professor who knows what the hell they are talking about), and you will learn for yourself why. It's hard for me to get mad at people for thinking it's bad though, because they just don't know any better. But the reality of it is, we need illegal immigrants for a healthy economy.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:41 AM   #18
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Default Re: What are your views on illeagal immigration?

This is a little off topic, but they really need to change the 14th Ammendment so automatic citizenship is given if a child has at least one parent who is a US citizen. As it stands today, illegals are coming over, having children (who become automatic US citizens) and then they can't be deported because it would be cruel to separate parents and children.

That ammendment was ratified to give citizenship to all of the former slaves following abolition not to provide a loophole for illegals to be able to stay when they have children.
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Old 03-07-2007, 11:49 AM   #19
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Some people want to make illegal immigrants who have been working here many years learn English as a prerequisite to citizenship.

F that.
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Old 03-07-2007, 12:36 PM   #20
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pretty bold accusations there.


im sure individual proprietors wanted cheap labor to save a few bucks to up their personal profits.



but to sya the US wanted them? better find some facts and citations to back up your assertions.
have you ever heard of the Brasero program? Established after WWII as a temporary work program, this program formalized the practices already in place. No good links quickly, so youll have to look it up yourself in the lieberry. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=brasero+programOr bush's new temporary work visa idea?

This country has always depended on cheap immigrant labor (at least since the late 1800's) particularly in its agricultural sector. Look at the Chinese and Irish immigrants (check out the book How the Irish Became White). The California agricultural economy has been using immigrant labor (legal or illegal) for well over a century.
Firs tit was the Chinese, then the Japenese, then the Dustbowl Okies, then the Dustbowl Arkies, Mexicans, and now many Mixtecs and other indigenous Mexican populations. If we want to curb illegal immigration we need to impose very harsh penalities for employers. That is the only realistic way to stop this movement, remove the job opportunities. Now the employment is generally done through secondary middlemen, so that the farmers (or companies) can claim ignorance.

On a related note, did you know that the US border patrol started as the Chinese Exclusion Agency in 1892?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._Border_Patrol

Its pretty interesting that the "undesirables" have changed over the years in relation to economic needs and racist attitudes.
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Old 03-07-2007, 12:43 PM   #21
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If they are legal, then I have no problem with immigration. If not, stay the fck out.
were your ancestors legal? It really doesnt matter, since immigration laws are relatively new (first one in 1892 and only applied to chinese). If you have ever spent time along the Rio you would know that total border security is really an impossible goal, even with the terrible idea of fences. When there are opportunities for jobs, labor pools come to those jobs. Its a basic foundation of capitalism, and the underlying reason for the 19th century urbanization of the world. The only way to stop this issue is to come down hard on the employers (not round up their workers, deport them and slap a fine). Threaten them with the inability to operate in the US, fines that would cripple their profit margins, etc. and companies will start making sure that they adhere to immigration policy. Same goes for any regulation. If the potential fine or cost associated with breaking the regulation does not equal or exceed the profits that can be made from breaking the regulation, no one will follow the regulation. Look at our joke of an EPA. Cleanup costs almost always exceed the fine levied.
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Old 03-07-2007, 01:27 PM   #22
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Old 03-07-2007, 06:45 PM   #23
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Default Re: What are your views on illeagal immigration?

It is called ILLEGAL immigration for a reason. Funny thing is that my dad is a Republican and is in favor of the Mexicans being here. His answer: Give all the Mexicans citizenship and send the Puerto Ricans back to Puerto Rico.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:27 PM   #24
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Default Re: What are your views on illeagal immigration?

If Mexicans want to come and LIVE in the united states as CITIZENS then that's wonderful. But I hate the ones who come into America, steal an identity, mooch off the government, and live carefree, while every American citizen is working hard, paying the bills and learning a freaking foreign language, usually Spanish, which should not be the case. The Mexicans should speak the damn English, not the other way around.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:48 PM   #25
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If Mexicans want to come and LIVE in the united states as CITIZENS then that's wonderful. But I hate the ones who come into America, steal an identity, mooch off the government, and live carefree, while every American citizen is working hard, paying the bills and learning a freaking foreign language, usually Spanish, which should not be the case. The Mexicans should speak the damn English, not the other way around.

LOL. You're dumb. There ARE Mexican people here so why not try and learn spanish to communicate with them. You don't make sense.

It's hard to become a citizen and takes awhile so why go through all the trouble?
They bring the costs of housing down anyways.
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LOL. You're dumb. There ARE Mexican people here so why not try and learn spanish to communicate with them. You don't make sense.

It's hard to become a citizen and takes awhile so why go through all the trouble?
They bring the costs of housing down anyways.

your a moron. my parents didnt speak english when they came here either, but they made sure to learn it as well as get their citizenship.
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Old 03-07-2007, 10:07 PM   #27
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Default Re: What are your views on illeagal immigration?

This country a land of opportunity and freedom. as long as the illegal immegrants contribute to the melting pot of the US(by means of whatever that they are doing), they should be allowed to stay here.
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Old 03-08-2007, 12:56 AM   #28
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Illegal immigrants are good, very good, for our economy. I'm not going to go in to the long explanation as to how and why, as most of you probably wouldnt understand even having it explained to you. Go to college, take Econ classes (from a Professor who knows what the hell they are talking about), and you will learn for yourself why. It's hard for me to get mad at people for thinking it's bad though, because they just don't know any better. But the reality of it is, we need illegal immigrants for a healthy economy.

We don't need illegal immigrants. If we're that concerned about having low paid workers, then we can allow more people to come in legally.

Reasons why illegal immigration is bad:

1) It harms legal immigrants.
2) It harms the illegal immigrants themselves. Many of them are physically abused, underpaid, and exploited. They are too afraid to do anything about it because they fear being deported.
3) Many illegal immigrants fake social security numbers.
4) Illegal immigrants can be an unnecessary strain on social services. Moreso if the immigrants are not paying taxes that go towards the services. Does that mean we should cut the services off to them? No, I believe if you're sick and you need care, you should be taken care of.
5) It's bad for workers' unions.

And what's good for the "economy" might not be good for America, or American workers.

My solution: Abolish NAFTA. Tighten border security. Open the doors for legal immigrants.

Also, if you don't mind, I'd like to see some of these professors that "know what the hell they're talking about".
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Old 03-08-2007, 09:23 AM   #29
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If Mexicans want to come and LIVE in the united states as CITIZENS then that's wonderful. But I hate the ones who come into America, steal an identity, mooch off the government, and live carefree, while every American citizen is working hard, paying the bills and learning a freaking foreign language, usually Spanish, which should not be the case. The Mexicans should speak the damn English, not the other way around.
There is a reason why these people cannot come in as Citizens. We restrict our unskilled labor immigration, particularly from Hispanic countires. Most illegals I know work harder than your mom, dad and uncle put together.

And Spanish is not a foreign language, since we dont have an official language. Spanish has been spoken in the US longer than English.
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It is called ILLEGAL immigration for a reason. Funny thing is that my dad is a Republican and is in favor of the Mexicans being here. His answer: Give all the Mexicans citizenship and send the Puerto Ricans back to Puerto Rico.
Hey we brought Puerto Rico upon ourselves. In the Spanish-American War (ostensibly to allow Cuba to unhook the yoke of Spanish Tyranny), we demanded the island of Puerto Rico as well (despite the fact that it was not a scene of conflict, etc.). The US was a major player in most circum-carribean politics and, frankly, is the reason why many of the central american countires are just emerging as democracies. US economic interests first and foremost. I suppose your father thinks its reasonable to make and break treaty agreements at will? We certainly are good at it

Puerto Rico under United States rule

On July 25, 1898 at the outbreak of the Spanish–American War, Puerto Rico was invaded by the United States with a landing at Guánica. Following the outcome of the war, Spain was forced to cede Puerto Rico, along with Cuba, the Philippines, and Guam to the United States under the Treaty of Paris (1898).[8] Puerto Rico began the twentieth century under the military rule of the United States with officials, including the governor, appointed by the President of the United States. The Foraker Act of 1900 had given Puerto Rico a certain amount of popular government. By 1917, the Jones-Shafroth Act granted U.S. citizenship to Puerto Ricans - a status they still hold today. Many Puerto Ricans served in the U.S. Armed Forces beginning in World War I. Natural disasters and the Great Depression impoverished the island. Some political leaders demanded change; some, like Pedro Albizu Campos, would lead a nationalist (The Puerto Rican Nationalist Party) movement in favor of independence. He served many years in prison for seditious conspiracy to overthrow the U.S. Government in Puerto Rico.[9] Luis Muñoz Marín initially favored independence, but saw a severe decline of the Puerto Rican economy, as well as growing violence and uprisings and opted to support the "commonwealth" option instead. The "commonwealth" was supported before Luis Muñoz Marín by other political leaders.

Change in the nature of the internal governance of the island came about during the later years of the Roosevelt–Truman administrations, as a form of compromise spearheaded by Muñoz Marín and others, and which culminated with the appointment by President Harry Truman in 1946 of the first Puerto Rican-born governor, Jesus T. Piñero. In 1947, the United States granted the right to democratically elect the governor of Puerto Rico. Luis Muñoz Marín became the first elected governor of Puerto Rico in the 1948 general elections, serving as such for 16 years, until 1964.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_rico

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