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Old 03-11-2007, 11:19 AM   #16
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

I can see him taking marburys job in NY when the years past meaning when marbury retires.
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:29 AM   #17
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

I don't think he stays in the league. He's got this season and next season to prove himself, but I don't know what he can do to get himself in the rotation. Delonte and Rondo are clearly better PG's, and there's not much in the way of minutes left over from those two. He played great in the summer league this past year, but that obviously didn't translate into the regular season. Even if he goes out and has another fantastic summer, I doubt that gives Doc any reason to give him more burn. He probably gets dealt before then anyway, probably on a draft-day trade for a second-rounder from Charlotte, plays 10 minutes a game in 07-08, and then goes overseas to one of the powerhouses in the Euroleague, like Maccabi Tel Aviv or CSKA Moscow. Both teams will need PG's by then, especially after Will Bynum comes back to the states. His push-the-ball and play-no-defense style will be perfect for overseas.
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:48 AM   #18
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

I say 5 jus cuz hes gonna bounce around the league on potential then they're jus gonne be fed up with him
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:49 AM   #19
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

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A college apprentiship would have benifited him greatly

running a team
shooting
understanding the game
honing skills in a more controlled environment

going to college helps PGs

it is wrong to assume he wouldn't get better in college where practices focus more on individual skills

I honestly couldnt disagree more. Have you seen a college practice? They are almost entirely concerned with improving as a unit and not individually. Every NBA team has ex-nba players as assistant coaches that are available 24-7 to work with players individually. You cant find this in college. As far as understanding the game, the college game is so different than the NBA game, you have to spend a few years learning the NBA game anyways.

Going to college helps PGs......become good college pgs.
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:55 AM   #20
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

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Damn shame

who the falk told this skinny little midget he could go straight to the L?

he'd be awesome if he played for Pitino at the Ville for a couple of seasons

now he is an overhyped Korleone Young

poster boy for the age limit


agents who doesnt care about the player, who just cares about the quick money.... but not totally the agents fualt, plus the kid's inexperience and impatience to think he can do it in the league....

he would have been blown if he went to college for a few yeras cause this kids had sumthing good
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Old 03-11-2007, 12:00 PM   #21
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I honestly couldnt disagree more. Have you seen a college practice? They are almost entirely concerned with improving as a unit and not individually. Every NBA team has ex-nba players as assistant coaches that are available 24-7 to work with players individually. You cant find this in college. As far as understanding the game, the college game is so different than the NBA game, you have to spend a few years learning the NBA game anyways.

Going to college helps PGs......become good college pgs.


wrong, a good portion of a college practice works fundamentals, and a PGs understanding of the game also benifits from running plays inthe team portions of practice.

How many PGs have come straight out of high school?

Livingston? Only cuz he's 6'7"

PGs need college, end of story
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Old 03-11-2007, 12:01 PM   #22
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

So, is he any better than Tierre Brown yet?

I hated that guy. No defense, no jumpshot, all he could do was drive and brick layups.
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Old 03-11-2007, 12:10 PM   #23
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

He'll go on a contender like the Spurs or Pistons and play well as a backup. Then when that contract runs out some team will grossly overpay him thinking that he finally figured it all out, after which he'll go back to underachieving.
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Old 03-11-2007, 12:55 PM   #24
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

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wrong, a good portion of a college practice works fundamentals, and a PGs understanding of the game also benifits from running plays inthe team portions of practice.

How many PGs have come straight out of high school?

Livingston? Only cuz he's 6'7"

PGs need college, end of story


Running a college set will not get you ready to run an NBA offense, its apples and oranges.

Also, asking how many pgs have come straight out of highschool is not a valid point. It would be easy for me to sit here and point out many highly successful 4 yr college pgs and how poorly they did in the NBA eg. Mateen Cleaves.

The only way you learn to play point guard in the NBA is to play point guard in the NBA, and this takes time. The earlier you can get to the league and start learning that system and learning from the best basketball minds in the world, better it is for your career. End of story.
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Old 03-11-2007, 01:24 PM   #25
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

I'd like to point out that while everyone is talking about his developement no one is acknowledging the NBA coaches he's played under.

Mo Cheeks, Kevin Pritchard, Nate McMillan, and Doc Rivers are not exactly four guys you think of when it comes to player developement.
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Old 03-12-2007, 11:01 AM   #26
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

Telfair should stick, though not in any one place for very long. He's just not that good. Should never be a long-term starter.
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Old 03-12-2007, 11:04 AM   #27
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Also, asking how many pgs have come straight out of highschool is not a valid point.

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Old 03-12-2007, 11:21 AM   #28
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Default Re: Sebastian Telfair: How many years until he's out of the league?

It's definitely a valid point. There's only two hs-skipping pgs, Telfair and Livingston. Livingston has been extremely unfortunate with injuries, so it's really just one guy that we have for our sample. That's not nearly enough to say whether or not a point guard could succeed straight out of high school.
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Old 03-12-2007, 11:25 AM   #29
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I am not a Telfair fan at all, but he got a lot of money by skipping college. He made the right choice imo. If he went to college I'm not sure if he would have been drafted in the first round. Also, you could kiss that HUGE endorsement money he got from Adidas away too. I don't think playing college would have really helped him much to be honest. He's just not that special of a player like some people wanted to believe.


i agree with that completely. if he had gone to college he would have been lucky to get taken int he 2nd round.
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I'd like to point out that while everyone is talking about his developement no one is acknowledging the NBA coaches he's played under.

Mo Cheeks, Kevin Pritchard, Nate McMillan, and Doc Rivers are not exactly four guys you think of when it comes to player developement.
And yet Al Jefferson, Rajon Rondo, Delonte West, and Gerald Green have done fine developing under Rivers. Enough with the excuses. If four different coaches have put him at the end of their pg rotation something's wrong.
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