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Old 03-12-2007, 01:49 AM   #16
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

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hmm... would Nash be an AllStar without Marion and Amare?


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Old 03-12-2007, 01:52 AM   #17
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I think we were referring to be a legit all star year after years. For example Jamaal Magloire isn't really an all star.
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:11 AM   #18
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

yes... Nash or no nash he's an All-Star

hustle...
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:18 AM   #19
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

Did Dirk falloff without Nash? Was Dirk better with Nash?
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Old 03-12-2007, 03:45 AM   #20
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

Marion is the best role player in NBA, a guy who's maximizing his oportunities almost all the time. And he deserves to have multiple all-star selections, with or without Nash, Amare or others.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:18 AM   #21
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

Shawn Marion can be and is an all-star with or without Nash. The difference between his lone years without Nash and the years he has been playing with Nash is that Nash makes Marion look and play that much better and efficiently. Not to mention how well he is in a system that he has adapted to and plays well out of, it isn't that much of a surprise. He's a very good defender that can probably guard both guard and forward positions, and, of course, if the 5 was small enough, he might be even to too. Marion's defensive capabilities are pretty extravagant, and his offensive game, though somewhat limited, (his shooting form has always surprised me) he isn't that great of a shooter but a really nice finisher around the rim -- all this before Nash. But anyway, I could see him being an all-star without Nash, its just that without Nash, he would be an all-star bound candidate but wouldn't receive as recognition with many votes or much credentials.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:27 AM   #22
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Did Dirk falloff without Nash? Was Dirk better with Nash?

this above argument is so ridiculous on so many levels nd brought up in this forum so much it makes me want to puke.

Did the Mavs subtract Nash and keep everything else in place?

No they changed more than 50% of their roster to build a team around Dirk so he can be the main option and not have to fight for the ball with the likes of Finley, Walker and Jamison, who were there in Dallas also while Nash was.

so cordially STFU

regarding Marion

he is an all star when the numbers work out. He will always get his hustle points, so as long as he and his team are doing well and there isnt a dearth of players from other good teams doing well he'll be in.

Marion will produce no matter where he is.
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Old 03-12-2007, 04:54 AM   #23
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

Yes you said it

3 with Nash

1 without Nash

The guy play 40min get you Rbn, Points, Blocks, Steals, Ast. good defender can shoot the 3 and never get hurt. 20/10 with nash and without Nash.
Allstar not as starter but definitely an Allstar.
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:42 AM   #24
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

This thread is ridiculous. It's already been said that Marion was an all star before Nash. He had one of his best statistical years without Nash.

What is the real question here? Does Marion have ball handling skills? Can he create his own shot?

I mean there are a lot of teams in the league that struggle without a point guard. The Cavs have struggled all year long without someone besides Lebron to create a shot.

San Antonio struggled with no point guard for years after Rod Strickland was sent to the Blazers, and when they got Avery Johnson in town, they eventually won a championship.

Does that mean we should take David Robinson's name off the first Dream Team, or the 50 greatest players?

Hell, Lebron's struggled to create his own shot at times.

What the hell does it matter if Marion can't put up numbers without a point guard?

Christ, when was the last time the Suns organization let themselves go without a quality point guard?

They've always had one or two on the roster that were either really good, or fit the system perfectly.

Kevin Johnson, Elliott Perry, Jason Kidd, Stephon Marbury, Nash, Barbosa. I'm sure there are other lesser known guys I'm leaving out.

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Old 03-13-2007, 09:00 AM   #25
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this above argument is so ridiculous on so many levels nd brought up in this forum so much it makes me want to puke.
I hope you're near a toilet you anorexic cvnt. I got places to be people to see, how the f*ck would I know how many times this point has been brought to the board's attention.

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Did the Mavs subtract Nash and keep everything else in place?
Does any team in the wide world of sports keep everything in place?

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No they changed more than 50% of their roster to build a team around Dirk so he can be the main option and not have to fight for the ball with the likes of Finley, Walker and Jamison, who were there in Dallas also while Nash was.
Dirk did not have to fight for the ball.

Dirk was already the Mavs main option.


Are you H to the Izzo M to the Izzo foshizzle you stupid the ISH version of dumbo
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:04 AM   #26
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I hope you're near a toilet you anorexic cvnt. I got places to be people to see, how the f*ck would I know how many times this point has been brought to the board's attention.

Does any team in the wide world of sports keep everything in place?

Dirk did not have to fight for the ball.

Dirk was already the Mavs main option.


Are you H to the Izzo M to the Izzo foshizzle you stupid the ISH version of dumbo


great comeback, I guess since he was always the main option it is only ironic that his ppg went up almost 5ppg when Walker, Finley, Jamison and Nash left.

your reply has turned me into an anorexic cvnt because it is so bad

I guess you are right

your logic is flawless

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Old 03-13-2007, 09:20 AM   #27
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great comeback, I guess since he was always the main option it is only ironic that his ppg went up almost 5ppg when Walker, Finley, Jamison and Nash left.

your reply has turned me into an anorexic cvnt because it is so bad

I guess you are right

your logic is flawless
Wow how many shots does it take to average 5 more points a game. Did you go search his stats and edit this garbage? Now go find me some government documents stating that Dirk wasn't the main option.
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Old 03-13-2007, 09:22 AM   #28
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Wow how many shots does it take to average 5 more points a game. Did you go search his stats and edit this garbage? Now go find me some government documents stating that Dirk wasn't the main option.

so you honestly believe that you will get as many opportunities with Antoine Walker and Michael Finley in your starting line up as you would with guys like Erick Dampier and Buckner or Harris or whoever the Mavs started in the backcourt with Terry?

I see your point
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:20 AM   #29
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I see your point
Please don't look at my point like that.

All I am asking you how in the hell was Dirk deprive of shots. You made the statement now put some meaning to it.
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:23 AM   #30
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Default Re: "Would Shawn Marion be an All-Star without Steve Nash?"

Sure, just ask Kenyon Martin, Lamond Murray and Richard Jefferson. (Guys Jason Kidd has made All-Stars and a whole lot of money)
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