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Old 05-02-2014, 01:25 AM   #1
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Default Satanists are trolling Oklahoma

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separation of church and state indeed. if they go through with this, some people are gonna lose their shit

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HERE’S THE FIRST LOOK AT THE NEW SATANIC MONUMENT BEING BUILT FOR OKLAHOMA’S STATEHOUSE
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Praise be to Satan. All photos by the author, who has a shitty camera phone

In January the Satanic Temple announced plans to erect a monument glorifying the Dark Lord on the front lawn of the Oklahoma Statehouse. An Indiegogo campaign was launched with what seemed like a somewhat lofty goal of $20,000, but by the time donations ended almost $30,000 had been raised. Now an artist trained in classical sculpture is toiling away in New York, crafting a Baphomet figure sitting beneath a pentagram and flanked by two children gazing upward in loyalty. When it is finished, it will be cast in bronze and, the Satanists hope, eventually displayed in Oklahoma.

The statue is a direct response to the state's installation of a Ten Commandments monument outside the Capitol in 2012. State Representative Mike Ritze paid for the controversial statue with his own money, and therefore it was considered a donation and OK to place on government property. Following that line of reasoning, the Satanic Temple submitted a formal application for their monument.

As Trait Thompson of the Oklahoma Capitol Preservation Commission told CNN last December, “Individuals and groups are free to apply to place a monument or statue or artwork.” The applications are then approved or rejected by the Commission. Unfortunately, the state has placed a halt on issuing permits for any other monuments until a lawsuit filed by the ACLU against Ritze’s Commandments monument is settled.



Nonetheless, the Satanists are building this thing, and I was offered an early peek at the work in progress by Temple spokesperson Lucien Greaves. Greaves told me he has received numerous threats from people who want to attack the sculpture, but that he “wouldn’t expect these outraged and nearly insensible reactionaries to actually know how to assault a bronze monument without severely hurting themselves in the process.” Still, he’s not taking any chances. The Temple is building a mold of the sculpture so they can pop these things out like evil, terribly expensive action figures whenever they need a new one.

“Depending on our insurance policy,” Greaves said, “we may be able to cast two from the destruction of one, expediting our arrival to the next battleground.”

The Temple estimates that the monument will be finished in a few months. Once it’s done, they plan to put it in front of the Oklahoma Statehouse regardless of the the Capitol Preservation Commission’s ongoing battle against the ACLU. They feel this should be allowed because their application was submitted before all the hullabaloo over Ritze’s monument.

“After all,” Greaves told me, “the Ten Commandments still stand at the State Capitol. We are fully willing to place our monument at the Capitol, even while the ACLU suit is fought, with the understanding that a judgment against the Ten Commandments will have ramifications for our monument as well, likely resulting in the removal of both.”



The Baphomet, which will stand seven feet tall and be a testament to the glory of the Angel of the Bottomless Pit, would be placed directly beside the sculpture glorifying the laws given to Moses by the Christian God. The idea of a Satanic monument sitting on government property in Oklahoma—which is like the Bible Belt's Bible Belt—seems a bit far-fetched, but Greaves says that "there has been quite a bit of discussion among legal scholars who recognize how difficult it would actually be for Oklahoma to turn us down… Constitutional law is quite clear on this issue: The state can’t discriminate against viewpoints. If they’ve opened the door for one, they’ve opened it for all.”

Ryan Kiesel from the Oklahoma ACLU seems to agree. He told the Libertarian Republic, “If, at the end of the day, the Ten Commandments monument is allowed to remain on the Capitol grounds with its overtly Christian message, then the Satanic Temple’s proposal can’t be rejected because it is of a different religious viewpoint.”




When the monument is finished, the Baphomet will rest on the block beneath the pentagram. His lap will serve as a seat for children.

One popular argument being used against the Temple’s monument is that it doesn’t have “any historical significance for the State of Oklahoma,” as State Representative Paul Wesselhoft told a local news station in January. “The only reason why the Ten Commandments qualified,” he continued, “is because at the Capitol, what we do is we make laws. We are lawmakers. Well, one of the earliest laws we have are the Ten Commandments.” This, it is important to remember, was said by a current democratically elected member of the legislature.

Greaves told me that “the idea that the Ten Commandments are foundational to US or Oklahoman law is absurd and obscene… I would argue that the message behind our monument speaks more directly to the formation of US Constitutional values than the Ten Commandments possibly could. It especially does so when it stands directly beside the Ten Commandments, as it affirms no one religion enjoys legal preference.”



Regardless of what happens at the statehouse, the Temple is charging ahead with the monument. And if it doesn’t end up in Oklahoma City and the Ten Commandments are forced to be removed, the Satanists will try to find a home for the Baphomet in another deserving state. Texas, for instance, has had a monument of the Ten Commandments sitting on its capitol grounds for 40 years. As Greaves put it, “There are no shortage of public locations across the US where religious monuments await a contrasting voice.”




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Didn't read the entire thing, but how can a serious Satanic cult really exist?

So they believe in the Bible, and somehow came to the conclusion that Satan's side was the correct side to join? Wtf
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Didn't read the entire thing, but how can a serious Satanic cult really exist?

So they believe in the Bible, and somehow came to the conclusion that Satan's side was the correct side to join? Wtf
it's not serious. they are making a point protesting the 10 commandments monument at the capitol. it's a constitutional issue.

they could have made it a buddha statue or a koran, but they chose something that's guaranteed to get people riled up. that's why i said they are trolling.

(actually, a monument to Islam would probably get people even more pissed)

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Those sculptures look ****ing sick though. Who cares about the retards behind this whole thing. Appreciate the art.
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Those sculptures look ****ing sick though. Who cares about the retards behind this whole thing. Appreciate the art.

agreed. it's pretty metal
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it's not serious. they are making a point protesting the 10 commandments monument at the capitol. it's a constitutional issue.

that's why i said they are trolling.
Oh cool, that's pretty funny.

I'm expecting a mass chain message on FB about this.

Like for God, Comment for Satan. Gonna comment for Satan. "Satan is the homie."

Something like that.
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Why is Satan even connected to goats? Goats are not scary. I'd beat the shit out of a goat.
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Why is Satan even connected to goats? Goats are not scary. I'd beat the shit out of a goat.
Bray Wyatts gimmick is terrifying. Demonic. Don't sleep on the creepiness of goat heads.
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it's not serious. they are making a point protesting the 10 commandments monument at the capitol. it's a constitutional issue.

they could have made it a buddha statue or a koran, but they chose something that's guaranteed to get people riled up. that's why i said they are trolling.

(actually, a monument to Islam would probably get people even more pissed)
I see, will be interesting to see how this goes
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Why is Satan even connected to goats? Goats are not scary. I'd beat the shit out of a goat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

Baphomet (/ˈbæfɵmɛt/; from medieval Latin Baphometh, baffometi, Occitan Bafometz) is a term originally used to describe an idol or other deity which the Knights Templar were accused of worshiping, and subsequently incorporated into disparate occult and mystical traditions. It appeared as a term for a pagan idol in trial transcripts of the Inquisition of the Knights Templar in the early 14th century,[1] The name first came into popular English usage in the 19th century, with debate and speculation on the reasons for the suppression of the Templars.[2]
Since 1856, the name Baphomet has been associated with a "Sabbatic Goat" image drawn by Eliphas Lévi,[3] which contains binary elements representing the "sum total of the universe" (e.g. male and female, good and evil, etc.).[4] However, Baphomet has been connected with Satanism as well, primarily due to the adoption of it as a symbol by the Church of Satan.[5]
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I see, will be interesting to see how this goes


their aim is to have their baphomet statue banned, but at the same time ban the 10 commandments on the same grounds.

most likely the lawmakers will try to find some kind of loophole around it, we will see how this goes. it's a constitutional issue, so it could very well make it to the supreme court. Bahomet v. Moses will be up there with Roe v. Wade
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Didn't read the entire thing, but how can a serious Satanic cult really exist?

So they believe in the Bible, and somehow came to the conclusion that Satan's side was the correct side to join? Wtf

History is written by the Victors.

Satan used to be Jehovah's right hand man. But the Big dog did something to piss him off and a large number of his formerly loyal angels, causing a massive Civil War.

Obviously the whole story was never told. Lucifer wants to do away with all the grovelling an beta behavior. Plus, look at the statue- He luh the keeds.

Hell is probably tight as shit too. Gambling, booze, big booty bitches as far as the eye can see
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History is written by the Victors.

Satan used to be Jehovah's right hand man. But the Big dog did something to piss him off and a large number of his formerly loyal angels, causing a massive Civil War.

Obviously the whole story was never told. Lucifer wants to do away with all the grovelling an beta behavior. Plus, look at the statue- He luh the keeds.

Hell is probably tight as shit too. Gambling, booze, big booty bitches as far as the eye can see

Whoever made up this joke is hilarious. God is an asshole and he's ruining Satan's name. Love this story.
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Didn't read the entire thing, but how can a serious Satanic cult really exist?

So they believe in the Bible, and somehow came to the conclusion that Satan's side was the correct side to join? Wtf
You dont know shit.
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