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Old 07-10-2014, 06:32 PM   #76
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lol not sell out, self loath. the key to a real pansy ass do gooder is to hate yourself so much that your lifes ambition becomes to make evrerybode else love you and prove yourself wrong. its even easier with neurotic tendencies and a jewish mother

all i lack is the jewish mother


Sounds like u oughtta hit the gym brah


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Yes agreed. The Arab refugees are illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza Strip. They need to go back to where they came from.
The Arab refuges from Saudi Arabia and Egypt whose families moved to Gaza and the Westbank as part of some cockamamy PLO jihad plan in 1950
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Old 07-10-2014, 06:47 PM   #78
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because of the current status of the conflict and the people involved in it; a status that hasn't much changed in 2-3 decades. the palestinian population is completely decimated. its economy is in tatters. its politics are rife with corruption. and the average middle aged individual there has probably lost half his family. that's just the nature of the conflict; casualties have come overwhelmingly from the palestinian side. not surprisingly given the distribution of power.

that isn't to say it makes it okay for palestinians to harbour hatred and resort to terrorism. it's only to say that a reasonable deal on the table would almost certainly be accepted point blank at this point. even the right of return would be moot (not that it wasn't already). they have ever reason to take anything that makes even a little bit of sense. it so happened that oslo and camp david didn't make much sense at all. both negotiations ended with outrageous deals from a palestinian standpoint.

on the other hand, israel has every interest NOT to make peace. as it stands, it's is still in the good graces of the only country that matters to it and provides it with tremendous support unlike any other relationship in the world. it's breaking international law building settlements in the west bank but nothing has happened for 20 years so they have no reason to expect any repercussions at this point. it has an awesome military and (illegal, but who cares) nuclear weapons they can use as a deterrent against attack. apart from all that, it's just common sense. the conflict kills/harms only a very small number of israelis which is why staying the same old course isn't extremely unpopular.

most importantly, as the leadership surely understands, there will come a point in time, and perhaps we've already reached it, when the israeli settlers (many of whom are dogged religious fundamentalists) will be so populous and entrenched in the west bank that a two state settlement becomes completely impossible. one of the major israeli issues you hear all the time in the media is fear that a settlement will demographically destroy the jewish character of israel. well you have the same problem on the other side. nobody actually keeps track of how many settlers actually live in the west bank, that would be tmi, but at the very least the makeup is 1/5 israeli, 4/5 palestinian. and the numbers are trending in an obvious direction.


Let's be honest, which Arab country (that isn't filthy rich with oil money and can pay its citizens a ridiculous monthly allowance to stay content and comfortable until the well runs dry, literally, while the political and social elite have amassed all of their country's wealth) isn't a complete mess right now? Can you blame Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypts problems on Israel as well? Let's give up the PC nature of this conversation for a second, Palestine would have been a hot mess regardless.

You figure after all these back and forth skirmishes, Hamas would have learnt they're always on the losing end in terms of casualties. What's the pop definition of insanity again? They obviously give two fukks about their people.

And yeah Israel isn't a Saint by any measure. But they are the superpower there. Every other superpower in the world bullies it's neighbours and satellites if they can, see Cuba, see Ukraine, etc etc. and that's with zero provocation on their end. Imagine Cuba retaliated with missiles because of the embargo, the attempted assassination, the bay of pigs etc.

I agree the settlements should stop, but try not launching missiles and causing useless fkin mayhem that is only gonna get your family blown up for a couple of years, and see if Israel doesn't soften it's stance.
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:21 PM   #79
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IDF moving israeli settlers out of the gaza

After that hamas used gaza to rain rockets on israel. Operation summer rains
Do you really not see why the israeli voting base could be skeptical of hamas? After giving up gaza they were rewarded with rocket attacks.

any reasonable person imo would not have attacked an enemy that withdrew from land that you felt was yours. I would have seen it as a sincere effort to try to make peace. How did hamas react? they started to use gaza to stage attacks. Dont you see how that makes it extremely difficult for Israeli politicians to make peace? Dont you see how that basically politically castrates peace advocates?
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Let's be honest, which Arab country (that isn't filthy rich with oil money and can pay its citizens a ridiculous monthly allowance to stay content and comfortable until the well runs dry, literally, while the political and social elite have amassed all of their country's wealth) isn't a complete mess right now? Can you blame Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypts problems on Israel as well? Let's give up the PC nature of this conversation for a second, Palestine would have been a hot mess regardless.

You figure after all these back and forth skirmishes, Hamas would have learnt they're always on the losing end in terms of casualties. What's the pop definition of insanity again? They obviously give two fukks about their people.

And yeah Israel isn't a Saint by any measure. But they are the superpower there. Every other superpower in the world bullies it's neighbours and satellites if they can, see Cuba, see Ukraine, etc etc. and that's with zero provocation on their end. Imagine Cuba retaliated with missiles because of the embargo, the attempted assassination, the bay of pigs etc.

I agree the settlements should stop, but try not launching missiles and causing useless fkin mayhem that is only gonna get your family blown up for a couple of years, and see if Israel doesn't soften it's stance.
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@ mavs

there was a lot more to the gaza disengagement than what you're suggesting, that sharon against all the domestic pressure in the world graciously granted palestinians the opportunity to build a prosperous and peaceful society. check out what sara roy has to say on the subject if you're interested in an alternative perspective.

@macmac

it's worth looking into the state of the occupied territories immediately after they were annexed to israel in 1967. the palestinians were actually very submissive up until the first intifada, considering the state of their lives. certainly in comparison to the last 25 years, they were perfect angels. what did it get them?

as for "everybody gets bullied, why dont they just submit and hope for the best?".... i don't really think that view is worthy of being addressed. maybe that's what you would do. might be what i'd do. but it's a pretty appalling stance to take. and if people in your country and mine and others all over the world weren't brave enough to believe the exact opposite, there would still be as much bullying going on as there was in the 1950s, or the 1850s, or the 1750s... and so on.

as for the other countries in the middle east, there are long histories there. you can't answer the questions you rhetorically raised in a second. but no, it's not all israel's fault. nor is it all america's fault. or britain's. of course that doesn't mean we should just ignore foreign involvement when its been the world center of intervention for over a century.
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:24 PM   #80
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Let's be honest, which Arab country (that isn't filthy rich with oil money and can pay its citizens a ridiculous monthly allowance to stay content and comfortable until the well runs dry, literally, while the political and social elite have amassed all of their country's wealth) isn't a complete mess right now? Can you blame Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypts problems on Israel as well? Let's give up the PC nature of this conversation for a second, Palestine would have been a hot mess regardless.

You figure after all these back and forth skirmishes, Hamas would have learnt they're always on the losing end in terms of casualties. What's the pop definition of insanity again? They obviously give two fukks about their people.

And yeah Israel isn't a Saint by any measure. But they are the superpower there. Every other superpower in the world bullies it's neighbours and satellites if they can, see Cuba, see Ukraine, etc etc. and that's with zero provocation on their end. Imagine Cuba retaliated with missiles because of the embargo, the attempted assassination, the bay of pigs etc.

I agree the settlements should stop, but try not launching missiles and causing useless fkin mayhem that is only gonna get your family blown up for a couple of years, and see if Israel doesn't soften it's stance.

Bruh...Iran isn't even Arab
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:32 PM   #81
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Bruh...Iran isn't even Arab

Wow that's what you got out of my whole post? Cool story, I know what Persians are. I didn't want to say Muslim countries because I didn't want to involve north African and Asian countries like Malaysia. For all intent and purposes of my post, Egypt and Iran are geopolitically linked to the point I was making
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Old 07-10-2014, 09:46 PM   #82
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Default Re: Israel launches airstrike offensive in Gaza, readies ground troops

Well, I could say a lot but I've had this discussion many times before. I will say this though:

Iran isn't a "hot mess", in any way shape or form compared to these countries. It has a government at loggerheads with the US and Israel, but that doesn't mean it's a hot mess. It's not exactly North Korea

No, you can't blame Israel for the mess that most of these countries from Africa(Libya, Tunisia, etc.) through to the Middle East(Lebanon, Syria, Iraq etc.) are in, but you CAN blame the imperial colonial system that created these countries including Israel, which lumped together disparate ethnic and religious groups and stunted their development by resulting in inept, corrupt, and dictatorial governments.

The real problem with the Israel-Palestine conflict is both sides policies are dictated by the extremists and conservatives.
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Old 07-12-2014, 06:23 AM   #83
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The criticism of this conflict should focus on Hamas.

I can't count all the posts and messages I've seen from my Muslim friends and acquintances showing images of dead children, bombed houses, condemning Israel and asking for donations and support for Gaza. Knowing that 90% of those donations are going straight into the pockets of Hamas.

I'm no fan of Israel, some of their behaviours historically are disgusting and the insidious way they handle the West Bank currently is despicable. Gaza currently is not part of Israel's blame though. They do everything they can to minimize civilian casualties and maintain peace while Hamas does everything they can to maximize civilian casualties. Hamas is the demon here, not Israel.
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This thread is full of armchair "experts". You ****ing nerds know nothing.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:31 AM   #85
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The whole situation is sad. The whole Israeli government-Hamas conflict is a never-ending circle of doom. Unfortunately, it's the innocent on both sides that pay the price.
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http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...856750893.html

Israel ready to take over whatever's left of Palestine and Gaza...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssoZUSOgELk look what happens around 1:15.
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there was a lot more to the gaza disengagement than what you're suggesting, that sharon against all the domestic pressure in the world graciously granted palestinians the opportunity to build a prosperous and peaceful society. check out what sara roy has to say on the subject if you're interested in an alternative perspective.
Just explain one thing to me, that I dont understand.

What was the logic behind using gaza to stage rocket launches into israel after the israelis unilaterally withdrew and conceded the territory to palestine?

How was that at all helpful to the palestinian cause?

I understand that gaza situation wasnt close to perfect, and that the blockade was in place, but still how do you immediately take land your opponent has conceded to you and use it to attack him. It punishes your opponent for making concessions and makes it hard for him to concede anything in the future.
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Just explain one thing to me, that I dont understand.

What was the logic behind using gaza to stage rocket launches into israel after the israelis unilaterally withdrew and conceded the territory to palestine?

How was that at all helpful to the palestinian cause?

I understand that gaza situation wasnt close to perfect, and that the blockade was in place, but still how do you immediately take land your opponent has conceded to you and use it to attack him. It punishes your opponent for making concessions and makes it hard for him to concede anything in the future.

These clowns will not explain anything. The only argument they know is "..but there are Jewish settlements" over and over again your head will explode like a cheap quassam rocket.
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