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Old 07-10-2014, 01:44 AM   #76
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What in protein powder is going to do this if you don't mind me asking?

Unnatural muscle hypertrophy/hyperplasia-->cell cycle dysfunction over a period-->cancer. it's a relatively new trend so data on adverse effects is still in its early stages but in 10-20 years we will see a huge wave of rhambdomyosarcomas and possibly osteosarcomas as use of these mixes becomes even more rampant.

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I've never used protein powder. I do the protein and greens for breakfast with an assortment of vitamins and the EAS thingy after my workout. Chicken and broccoli is my primary meal. I f*ck with almonds or slices of turkey if I need a snack. I'm really trying to avoid getting bulky muscles, I like a leaner frame, I understand protein is important for muscle gain and weight loss but I assumed regular protein powder use was more geared towards gaining muscle. Should I switch it up? I lost about 30 pounds in 6 months so I figure I'm doing something right but definitely plateaued a bit lately.

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LMAO, you'll have a rhambdomyosarcoma by 50. Have fun.


Spell the disease right if you're going to attempt sounding smart. You've spelled it wrong every single post you've made.

Not to mention that's quite a rare disease. whey protein is simply a mixture of amino acids, which are building blocks for protein. It's very good for boosting your protein intake, it just shouldn't be used as a primary or only protein source. And protein powder does not cause "unnatural muscle hypertrophy or hyperplasia" that's what anabolic steroids do you are literally full of it. Quit while you're behind.

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Spell the disease right if you're going to attempt sounding smart. You've spelled it wrong every single post you've made.

Not to mention that's quite a rare disease. whey protein is simply a mixture of amino acids, which are building blocks for protein. It's very good for boosting your protein intake, it just shouldn't be used as a primary or only protein source. And protein powder does not cause "unnatural muscle hypertrophy or hyperplasia" that's what anabolic steroids do you are literally full of it. Quit while you're behind.

Bad keyboard.

I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. I'm a 1st yr doctor and know quite a lot more about the subject than do you.

And yes it is unnatural. There's people with giant biceps and body transformations from these supplements, who likely cannot run 2 laps around a tiny park.
It will happen. At least when the first wave hits you'll be able to remember the guy who told you it would happen.

There's other shit too like milk-alkali and calcium homeostasis disruption that will occur, but rhabdomyosarcoma and osteosarcomas are the inevitable outcomes.

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Bad keyboard.

I don't give a shit whether you believe me or not. I'm a 1st yr doctor and know quite a lot more about the subject than do you.

And yes it is unnatural. There's people with giant biceps and body transformations from these supplements, who likely cannot run 2 laps around a tiny park.
It will happen. At least when the first wave hits you'll be able to remember the guy who told you it would happen.

There's other shit too like milk-alkali and calcium homeostasis disruption that will occur, but rhabdomyosarcoma and osteosarcomas are the inevitable outcomes.


Are you a first year doctor or a first year medical student? Regardless, please, don't be so pretentious. I have a Biomedical Engineering background and know more than a few premeds (now med students) who couldn't cut it in that major. Cancer is far more complex than "hypertrophy->cell cycle dysfunction->cancer". YEah... thats true... but you conveniently left out how 'cell cycle dysfunction' encompasses dozens of different "failure types" which are the result of the interaction of hundreds if not thousands of genes and their specific expression. The PhDs working on cancer mechanisms know a hell of a lot more about cancer than 99.9999% of doctors, and the PhDs don't know much yet.

Oh and you provided absolutely no sources backing up your claim that hypertrophy somehow disrupts the cell cycle. If you really know so much more than me and everyone else provide some sources. I'm not here to pick a fight, I'm here to dispute statements that I have not heard any evidence for.

There are people with giant biceps and body transformations from anabolic steroid use, and it's well documented that steroids cause extreme, unnatural muscle growth. There really isn't much of a difference whether you eat 20g of protein in cheese, or drink 20g of protein in milk, or 20g of protein powder with regards to muscle hypertrophy.

Are you trying to argue that protein powder causes a muscle buliding effect on the same level as steroids? And even if you aren't, tell me, why didn't Arnold or his buddies get rhabdomyosarcoma, considering steroid use was RAMPANT amongst bodybuilders in the 70s/80s?


Again, if you would back up your statements with some evidence, hell even a prospective study, I'm all ears.

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Are you a first year doctor or a first year medical student? Regardless, please, don't be so pretentious. I have a Biomedical Engineering background and know more than a few premeds (now med students) who couldn't cut it in that major. Cancer is far more complex than "hypertrophy->cell cycle dysfunction->cancer". YEah... thats true... but you conveniently left out how 'cell cycle dysfunction' encompasses dozens of different "failure types" which are the result of the interaction of hundreds if not thousands of genes and their specific expression. The PhDs working on cancer mechanisms know a hell of a lot more about cancer than 99.9999% of doctors, and the PhDs don't know much yet.

Oh and you provided absolutely no sources backing up your claim that hypertrophy somehow disrupts the cell cycle. If you really know so much more than me and everyone else provide some sources. I'm not here to pick a fight, I'm here to dispute statements that I have not heard any evidence for.

There are people with giant biceps and body transformations from anabolic steroid use, and it's well documented that steroids cause extreme, unnatural muscle growth. There really isn't much of a difference whether you eat 20g of protein in cheese, or drink 20g of protein in milk, or 20g of protein powder with regards to muscle hypertrophy.

Are you trying to argue that protein powder causes a muscle buliding effect on the same level as steroids? And even if you aren't, tell me, why didn't Arnold or his buddies get rhabdomyosarcoma, considering steroid use was RAMPANT amongst bodybuilders in the 70s/80s?


Again, if you would back up your statements with some evidence, hell even a prospective study, I'm all ears.

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I've never used protein powder. I do the protein and greens for breakfast with an assortment of vitamins and the EAS thingy after my workout. Chicken and broccoli is my primary meal. I f*ck with almonds or slices of turkey if I need a snack. I'm really trying to avoid getting bulky muscles, I like a leaner frame, I understand protein is important for muscle gain and weight loss but I assumed regular protein powder use was more geared towards gaining muscle. Should I switch it up? I lost about 30 pounds in 6 months so I figure I'm doing something right but definitely plateaued a bit lately.


That could prolly get pricey, I know naked and EAS is pretty expensive.
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I use mutant mass, really good!
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I'm confused. Wasn't this conversation initiated with I'm still ballin'? Well, we got this alt figured out.

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I'm familiar with WPI's being in manufactured in the same factories. We make for a couple of brands. In regards to HOW it's manufactured, there are variances from brand to brand. For example:
Take brand X vs brand Y. Brand X may put glutamine peptides in their WPI. Why? Because it shows up as part of the protein ratio. Do we need it? No. They put it in because it is a source of cheaper material to bring down costs.
I can go on and on about how things are manufactured and label tricks, but I guess your the expert and it's all the same.....

Yes, there are differences in ingredients. Some are healthier than others, still doesn't take away that most still offer similar protein ratios and near identical performances.


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My comment is not about comparing isolates to isolates, I was referring protein to protein. For example Gold Standard is a blend vs Iso-100, it will absorb at different rates. A blend may take hours to fully digest against a Hydrolyzed which takes minutes when you go gram per gram. A longer digesting protein is better for weight loss and anabolic rate. But again, your the expert..Would you like a job? Since apparently all proteins are the same maybe you can negotiate costs so we can charge a cheaper rate....

I've done enough reading and working out over my years to be well versed on the topic. I'm not an expert, but unlike you, I don't have an agenda to push. Most of this faster digesting protein and slower digesting protein being better for this and that shit that you're spewing is broscience that has been proven wrong time and time again anyway. You're probably still in the camp that thinks it's a must to get your protein shake within 30 minutes of working out.
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Yeah, clearly.
Like I need an alt to get my actual thoughts out there on this forum.

So why did you start the thread out under the I'm so ballin alias?


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Yes, there are differences in ingredients. Some are healthier than others, still doesn't take away that most still offer similar protein ratios and near identical performances.

I never disputed that. I'm saying manufacturing processing are different that determines cost by adding byproduct to manipulate labels. I gave one method to drive down protein costs when I gave the example of glutamine peptides. Follow closely


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I've done enough reading and working out over my years to be well versed on the topic. I'm not an expert, but unlike you, I don't have an agenda to push. Most of this faster digesting protein and slower digesting protein being better for this and that shit that you're spewing is broscience that has been proven wrong time and time again anyway. You're probably still in the camp that thinks it's a must to get your protein shake within 30 minutes of working out.

Right, so your internet research and gym interactions trump my 20 years experience in the industry on the retail, manufacturing, and distribution level and the fact that I'm employed by the largest sports nutrition manufacturing company in the world as a product educator AND got a University degree on Nutrition. I've given advice without having to try and promote my brand. Man, I'm wasting my time talking to you.
Nothing I've said is "broscience". I've said manufacturing facts that determine costs. Guys like you are what the industry thrives on by printing articles for you to "self educate" and sway to a certain way of thinking. What you so blindly can't see is I haven't disputed what you said in regards to what protein does, I clearly said all proteins will get you to point A to point B the same way. I've ALWAYS promoted that idea. go check the debunking the industry thread I created.You do however get what you pay for as per my car reference. Yet you feel I have an agenda to peddle my stuff. keep believing that every package is the same. Go buy your 6-Star at Walmart for all I care. Those brands are laughing all the way to the bank. They pay sites like BB.com and site domains to tell you "all protein is all the same". You are probably wasting more on fillers than the actual protein itself. You read: label A say 23 grams of protein, label B reads 23 grams of protein, it must be the exact same.... it's all the same right?
You guys crack me up. Read the internet, walk around like experts, and get mad at the industry calling us bro scientist yet you don't even know 10% of what goes on within the manufacturing walls and the advertising. It's no different that watching CSI then calling yourself a detective. 99% of the stuff out there is written by guys like me to sway opinions. And like any type of research, you'll subject yourself to what YOU want to believe.
But hey tell me what you do? I'll just go on the net and do your job for you

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So why did you start the thread out under the I'm so ballin alias?

Without going back right now, I don't know who actually started this thread. I don't even know who you were arguing with. Thirdly, you're an idiot for thinking I need two accounts for anything on here let alone arguing over protein powder with you.
I'm not whoever your claiming me to be, so cut the shit. I'm calling you out for your BS, and that is that.


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Right, so your internet research and gym interactions trump my 20 years experience in the industry on the retail, manufacturing, and distribution level and the fact that I'm employed by the largest sports nutrition manufacturing company in the world as a product educator. Man, i'm wasting my time talking to you.
Nothing I've said is "broscience". I've said manufacturing facts that determine costs. Guys like you are what the industry thrives on by printing articles for you to "self educate" and sway to a certain way of thinking. What you so blindly can't see is I haven't disputed what you said in regards to what protein does, I clearly said all proteins will get you to point A to point B the same way. I've ALWAYS promoted that idea. go check the debunking the industry thread I created.You do however get what you pay for as per my car reference. Yet you feel I have an agenda to peddle my stuff. keep believing that every package is the same. Go buy your 6-Star at Walmart for all I care. Those brands are laughing all the way to the bank. You are probably wasting more on fillers than the actual protein itself. You read :label A say 23 grams of protein, label B reads 23 grams of protein, it must be the exact same.... it's all the same right?
You guys crack me up. Read the internet, walk around like experts, and get mad at the industry calling us bro scientist yet you don't even know 10% of what goes on within the manufacturing walls and the advertising. 99% of the stuff out there is written by guys like me to sway opinions. And like any type of research, you'll subject yourself to what YOU want to believe.
But hey tell me what you do? I'll just go on the net and do your job for you

My internet research and gym experience has done enough for me to put me in a position where in the summer I'm usually in single digits of body fat and can bench 315+lbs year round, while being able to deadlift 500+lbs. Clearly I've educated myself on the subject enough that I know what I'm doing to get the results I need and want. A comparison of cars to protein is about as bad as you can get, but I won't bother.

I'm not saying anything apart from you're full of shit with your views. Yeah, I'm clearly the one that read the internet and is walking around like an expert. I keep all my views and progress in the ISH fitness thread, but I will call you and the other poster, who I forgot, out on bullshit.
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And for the record people can buy whatever they want. I merely tell people my opinions. I've supported every brand and am great friends with most sports nutrition labels.
Guys like Plowking will dispute everything I say, even if I'm agreeing with them because we have some sort of hidden agenda, then go to the typical "broscience" song and dance.
I support my brand for different reasons. Because it's certified Gluten Free. Because it's NFS certified that the IMG academy can use the product. Because we've converted all products to non-GMO. Yet guys like Plowking call this all jibberish and agenda driven. That's why companies like the ones he buys from make shit products because they know there's a market out there for guys like him. The add shit fillers, call it protein and guys like Plowking believe it's all the same. Lol, you wouldn't believe the stuff our company has manufactured to sell to lower end companies because that market space is even more saturated.
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