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Old 07-11-2014, 01:34 AM   #121
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Like anything, more expensive does not mean better, and this is particularly true with protein powders especially. Even more so when you consider many of them are produced at the same place and just labelled differently after. All I was saying is, a lot of the more expensive brands aren't any better than the cheaper ones, and are just about the same thing when you get down to the fine details.

You clearly know what you're talking about, but some of the comments in here struck me as clear bullshit and advertising. It's whatever, I'm over talking about it too.

This is exactly what I am trying to say. The fact is Dymatize IS one of those manufacturing companies that make products for other companies. Check the labels itself. a self manufactured company will say Manufactured BY. The ones made for other companies will say manufactured FOR on the label. That is why I know from personal experience why cheap protein is cheap and why pricier proteins are more expensive. I'm not saying it's the superior choice, I'm saying you will get what you pay for. For me personally my purchase driver is based primarily on taste. Like I keep saying you think that this information is taken as brutal honesty but it is taken as trying to hide something is completely confusing to me. I thought as a consumer I would like to know if something like glutamine peptides are added to skew protein profiles and that they are completely worthless yet they are added to the protein count as useful information. That this drives the costs down to make the cheaper proteins. That companies will by this from us at a dramatically cheap price and sell for a better margin. In fact isolates have the reputation of having the WORST margins. the better the quality, the worst the margin. As a business owner you WANT to promote cheaper protein because you make more MONEY. I guess I'm the naive one to think people would appreciate that info. Again, not promoting Dymatize, just stating the facts on why cheap protein is cheap.

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Old 07-11-2014, 02:59 AM   #122
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I thought as a consumer I would like to know if something like glutamine peptides are added to skew protein profiles and that they are completely worthless yet they are added to the protein count as useful information. That this drives the costs down to make the cheaper proteins. That companies will by this from us at a dramatically cheap price and sell for a better margin. In fact isolates have the reputation of having the WORST margins. the better the quality, the worst the margin. As a business owner you WANT to promote cheaper protein because you make more MONEY. I guess I'm the naive one to think people would appreciate that info. Again, not promoting Dymatize, just stating the facts on why cheap protein is cheap.

You've said this several times throughout the thread, but in what way are peptides completely worthless? There have been numerous controlled tests that state otherwise, and they are in fact sold separately as well.
Sure it has its side effects, but so do a lot of protein supplements.
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Old 07-11-2014, 03:16 AM   #123
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plow shuttin this one down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hateraid pfft more like buy my powder aid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-11-2014, 03:31 AM   #124
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I know this isn't always the case but sometimes people that do work for companies where they specialize in the topic at hand are actually honest and not just trying to sell shit. And they might actually know more than you.
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Old 07-11-2014, 03:46 AM   #125
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Can we all agree that Muscletech products are way overpriced

The vast majority of my protein sources from whole food sources (egg whites, chicken, steak). Bodybuilding 101. That gets tiring, so a couple of scoops of whey protein (54 grams) mixed with water makes for a nice quick alternative. I'm sure there are better brands out there than the one I use, but I don't consider it all-important in overall my diet.

As for waking up in the middle of the night for some protein, hell no! Getting a full sleep cycle in is far more important IMO.

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Old 07-11-2014, 03:47 AM   #126
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I know this isn't always the case but sometimes people that do work for companies where they specialize in the topic at hand are actually honest and not just trying to sell shit. And they might actually know more than you.
I'm obviously having a laugh.

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Old 07-11-2014, 07:23 AM   #127
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has almost no additives and most of the basic amino acids. high % pure protein. extremely low fat and cholesterol. if you mix it with cow milk, that's where most of your fat will come from. tastes good even with water. easily mixes in a blender bottle. i'm soft of a fanboy of ON in general. i also take their opti-men multivitamins and i swear i haven't had any illness in over a year since i started taking it. those b vitamins even help in hangovers it's the best multi-vite i've taken and i don't see myself switching soon.

i think casein can help but is really expensive for what it does. i'd rather rely on a late night snack of low fat cottage cheese and peanuts. i think the effects of casein are overstated but obviously ppl are different.

then again, i'm not the most disciplined. my hours at work move around too much and it's not exactly super physical. i know my stuff, but i don't always apply it.

i'd love to move to a more vegan lifestyle (don't think i could give up meat completely). i obviously realize there's plenty of protein rich foods outside of meat. also, meats are highly gross when you think about it. there's animals that have tumors or pus in it...grocery stores just chop that part off and sell you the 'appealing' package.

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Old 07-11-2014, 08:14 AM   #128
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has almost no additives and most of the basic amino acids. high % pure protein. extremely low fat and cholesterol. if you mix it with cow milk, that's where most of your fat will come from. tastes good even with water. easily mixes in a blender bottle. i'm soft of a fanboy of ON in general. i also take their opti-men multivitamins and i swear i haven't had any illness in over a year since i started taking it. those b vitamins even help in hangovers it's the best multi-vite i've taken and i don't see myself switching soon.

i think casein can help but is really expensive for what it does. i'd rather rely on a late night snack of low fat cottage cheese and peanuts. i think the effects of casein are overstated but obviously ppl are different.

then again, i'm not the most disciplined. my hours at work move around too much and it's not exactly super physical. i know my stuff, but i don't always apply it.

i'd love to move to a more vegan lifestyle (don't think i could give up meat completely). i obviously realize there's plenty of protein rich foods outside of meat. also, meats are highly gross when you think about it. there's animals that have tumors or pus in it...grocery stores just chop that part off and sell you the 'appealing' package.

in regards to their multi vitamins man i wouldnt take those I used to and they are okay but they overload you with way too much shit which can have harmful longterm effects

bodybuilding.com's own custom multivitamins are the best. not only are they cheap as hell but they have basically the perfect amount of everything and you only have to take 2 pills instead of 3 like with the optimum brand.

their protein powder though, yeah, it's perfect
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in regards to their multi vitamins man i wouldnt take those I used to and they are okay but they overload you with way too much shit which can have harmful longterm effects

bodybuilding.com's own custom multivitamins are the best. not only are they cheap as hell but they have basically the perfect amount of everything and you only have to take 2 pills instead of 3 like with the optimum brand.

their protein though, yeah, it's perfect
Bro its all about doubling down. Go hard. Or go home. I double ALL my vitamins. Cos you know I'm bout that life. I'm currently going HAM on 20,000 IU of D3 a day! Call me a madman.
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Old 07-11-2014, 08:30 AM   #130
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in regards to their multi vitamins man i wouldnt take those I used to and they are okay but they overload you with way too much shit which can have harmful longterm effects

bodybuilding.com's own custom multivitamins are the best. not only are they cheap as hell but they have basically the perfect amount of everything and you only have to take 2 pills instead of 3 like with the optimum brand.

their protein powder though, yeah, it's perfect

word. i usually only take 1 pill a day, sometimes 2 pills a day if i have a heavy meal. i realized it was overkill when i got it but it's really the only multi-vite i've trusted enough to commit to. i seriously don't see how they can recommend 3 a day though my piss is neon yellow even after drinking water for a couple hours.

i'll look into the bodybuilding.com's multis though.

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Old 07-11-2014, 09:17 AM   #131
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I understand ON has probably the biggest fanbase (I think MP is just getting popular now, especially with all these MMA endorsers and stuff) over the years, but damn, I took that stuff for half a year and looking back, it was horrible.

I stopped taking whey altogether around two years ago (and oddly enough, replacing my protein shakes and eating IF style made me bigger), but Dymatize was the best-tasting out of ALL of them (ON GS and the natural included). Sat well with my stomach best too. Don't know why there's hate on Hateraid for it, but yeah, he was the one who encouraged me to try (duh, since he works there), but after trying the stuff, I'm convinced of it's awesomeness.
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:36 AM   #132
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You've said this several times throughout the thread, but in what way are peptides completely worthless? There have been numerous controlled tests that state otherwise, and they are in fact sold separately as well.
Sure it has its side effects, but so do a lot of protein supplements.

This is not about a free form amino peptides. Glutamine peptides are derived from gluten which is a byproduct of wheat. Wheat proteins are very incomplete. In addition to that many consumers don't realize that is comes from gluten, so celiacs and gluten free lifestyle folk cannot consume it. Further more the glutamine peptides do not convert to glutamic acid in the body which is why people take regular glutamine. It does not do the same thing as l-glutamine.
The wheat protein is an extremely incomplete form of protein. Would you go out and buy wheat protein regularly? Probably not. It is added to prevent whey protein powders from clumping. That and soy lecithin, which is a different subject entirely. The catch is because it has a protein value it can be added to the overall protein on the panel. Because wheat protein is 1/10 of the cost of whey some companies will dilute their whey proteins with it to drive costs down. so your "cheap" whey may consist of a ton wheat protein.

Bottom line, let's fool consumers to thinking they are getting glutamine when really companies are misrepresenting a byproduct to cheapen costs.

Now I would expect you would have an open mind about that than to see that that is not an agenda driven statement. People who choose to buy that is their own prerogative. i just choose to educate them on what in fact the label is.
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Old 07-11-2014, 11:47 AM   #133
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I know this isn't always the case but sometimes people that do work for companies where they specialize in the topic at hand are actually honest and not just trying to sell shit. And they might actually know more than you.

Thanks bro.
I never wanted to come off as trying to sell something. I've always tried to be as honest and respectful as I possibly can.
Truthfully I left GNC because I started to be resentful to people. That gig payed me good and I worked as a third party specialist. The bad part is I still occasional had to work on the floor and help customers.
I swear, the nutrition industry may be the one industry where people become the most subjective and will not listen to reason. What I'm experiences here is what I went through, I kid you not, on a daily basis. Where honesty is seen as an agenda and if it opposed an idea then I was being an asshole.
This is why I think I've become surly in my older age and I hate people.
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This is not about a free form amino peptides. Glutamine peptides are derived from gluten which is a byproduct of wheat. Wheat proteins are very incomplete. In addition to that many consumers don't realize that is comes from gluten, so celiacs and gluten free lifestyle folk cannot consume it. Further more the glutamine peptides do not convert to glutamic acid in the body which is why people take regular glutamine. It does not do the same thing as l-glutamine.
The wheat protein is an extremely incomplete form of protein. Would you go out and buy wheat protein regularly? Probably not. It is added to prevent whey protein powders from clumping. That and soy lecithin, which is a different subject entirely. The catch is because it has a protein value it can be added to the overall protein on the panel. Because wheat protein is 1/10 of the cost of whey some companies will dilute their whey proteins with it to drive costs down. so your "cheap" whey may consist of a ton wheat protein.

Bottom line, let's fool consumers to thinking they are getting glutamine when really companies are misrepresenting a byproduct to cheapen costs.

Now I would expect you would have an open mind about that than to see that that is not an agenda driven statement. People who choose to buy that is their own prerogative. i just choose to educate them on what in fact the label is.
How does wheat protein compare to whey protein in regards to muscle repair and recovery?

Also, does this filler of wheat protein have any noticeable impact? How significant or insignificant is it?
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Bro its all about doubling down. Go hard. Or go home. I double ALL my vitamins. Cos you know I'm bout that life. I'm currently going HAM on 20,000 IU of D3 a day! Call me a madman.

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