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Old 03-29-2007, 07:29 PM   #16
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kobe gets whored on an almost nightly basis defensively. tmac was ALWAYS better defensively.

TMac has always been a better defender. They're both lackluster on that side of the ball. Kobe only stepped/steps it up against big names when the spotlight was on trying to convince everyone he was great at D and the better player. He always particularly did this with McGrady. Stepped it up trying to convince people he was better. Had to hear about his fire for years.

I remember for years that people said McGrady having to carry Orlando wasn't a valid excuse for not playing good D... but now it's ok for Kobe to use that reason. Hilarious.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:31 PM   #17
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Oh and what's funny is that it's way more than arguable that the current LA roster is better than anything McGrady ever had in Orlando.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:32 PM   #18
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How many players were primetime, explosive scorers that played great defense or defense that you didnt question much?
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:41 PM   #19
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How many players were primetime, explosive scorers that played great defense or defense that you didnt question much?

Jordan? Probably nobody else. At least not since I've been watching basketball.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:42 PM   #20
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Jordan? Probably nobody else. At least not since I've been watching basketball.

Kobe averaged 35 a game and was 1st team all defense last year before the knee surgery.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:43 PM   #21
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Kobe averaged 35 a game and was 1st team all defense last year before the knee surgery.

Just because he was voted it doesn't mean he deserved it.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:45 PM   #22
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Just because he was voted it doesn't mean he deserved it.

I remember Kobe shutting down a bunch of stars last year. I think he deserved it last year. If you needed someone to shut am opposing 2 guard down, Kobe would have been my #1 choice.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:48 PM   #23
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I remember Kobe shutting down a bunch of stars last year. I think he deserved it last year. If you needed someone to shut am opposing 2 guard down, Kobe would have been my #1 choice.

When, who, where...i must have been in a coma.

If anything i think that was the start of his lousy defensive play because he focused on scoring/shouldering that load so much. Played defense when he felt like it or when he thought it was time too.
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Old 03-29-2007, 07:49 PM   #24
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Kobe was voted 5 or 6 times.

Right now he plays very little defense but to question his defense throughout his career is pretty dumb IMO.
Yes, it's true that he sometimes had F the defense attitude against no name players but for the most part, his defense was pretty good but then again, he played with 3 other good to great defenders and one defensive liability.

He also had some god defensive games with this current squad.

If we're talking about his career, he's definitely been an above average defender so far? Great, definitely not. Good? Probably, yeah..

You can argue 1 of his selections, maybe 2...but 6?

Eh...

But hey, this is coming from a guy who considers Kobe a role player.
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:00 PM   #25
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Both are good at defense but t-mac edged him by a alittle
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:16 PM   #26
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I remember for years that people said McGrady having to carry Orlando wasn't a valid excuse for not playing good D... but now it's ok for Kobe to use that reason. Hilarious.

Indeed. Kobe groopies eat hypocrisy and sh!t double standards.
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:19 PM   #27
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Indeed. Kobe groopies eat hypocrisy and sh!t double standards.

you dont think kobe's knee surgery had anything to do with him not making all defensive teams this year???
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:22 PM   #28
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you dont think kobe's knee surgery had anything to do with him not making all defensive teams this year???
tmacs back?
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:24 PM   #29
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tmacs back?

Only Kobe gets excuses.
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Old 03-29-2007, 09:26 PM   #30
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tmacs back?

but people are attributing it to having to carry more of the scoring load and not his knee. Kobe came back this year without his knee being close to full strength and no time to strengthen it. If you wanna judge if Kobe has truely lost a step wait until next year when he actually has free time to rehab it. Having had knee surgery before defense is the last thing that comes back and i doubt you really want to push your knee on defense every game against nba players if it isnt 100% or even close.

Kobe averages 35 a game gets 1st team all defense...next year he has surgery comes back fat and out of shape with his knee clearly not 100 percent--his defense falls off--but people attribute to him scoring more when he is averaging 5 points less then when he made 1st team last year. Explain the logic in that.

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