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Old 04-04-2007, 11:34 PM   #31
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marbury could not play 2 next to M Williams at the one... thats a disaster worse than the Francis/Marbury backcourt

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Old 04-04-2007, 11:37 PM   #32
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The fact that you're defending the Jerome James signing means I'm done debating with you. 100% of the poster on the forum (other than some poor hopeful Knick fans) said it was a horrible signing the day it was inked. You don't spend 30 million dollars on a guy who had a couple of good months going into free agency after a career of being nothing.

it was a solid signing at the time. Big men were highly priced and hard to get
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:40 PM   #33
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Why do you say that? explain...

Cos M Williams is an average PG and MArbury would be a terrible off guard. He is a point guard, which he admittedly is playing quite ok at the moment. I dont even want to think about him at the 2
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:42 PM   #34
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Rondo and Williams are better now and will be for the future, and I could see Farmar and Rodriguez becoming better players than he'll be. With all that said, the pick isn't nearly as bad as it was thought to be at the time.

Despite his size and the competition he played, I really thought Paul Millsap would be picked higher.

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Old 04-04-2007, 11:49 PM   #35
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Zeke should be a scout and nothing more
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:50 PM   #36
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Cos M Williams is an average PG and MArbury would be a terrible off guard. He is a point guard, which he admittedly is playing quite ok at the moment. I dont even want to think about him at the 2
He is not a point guard. Yeah he likes having the ball in his hands but as we've seen in recent weeks, the guy plays much better when he's not expected to be a distributor. The Knicks have a lot of talent but end up playing more one-on-one basketball because nobody on the team is a passer.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:55 PM   #37
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He is not a point guard.


He has played PG his entire career. Yes, he is a 'shoot first' PG, but a PG none the less.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:57 PM   #38
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He has played PG his entire career. Yes, he is a 'shoot first' PG, but a PG none the less.
So do you not think they would benefit from having a pass first point guard?
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:00 AM   #39
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a good shoot first PG who still gets assists is better than an average pass first PG who is isn't particulary good at anything
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a good shoot first PG who still gets assists is better than an average pass first PG who is isn't particulary good at anything
He gets 5.5 assists per game. There are shooting guards who exceed or equal that number, so i'd call it below average.
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:11 AM   #41
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A 6apg guard is not below average for NBA one-guards. It's probably about average or even slightly higher.
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Old 04-05-2007, 12:22 AM   #42
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Default Re: Does Zeke deserve an apology from the critics?

Thought I'd research it some more, because I could be wrong. Marbs averages about as many or more than these team's starting one guards:

Boston - Rajon Rondo (or West, take your pick)
Cleveland - Snow (or Gibson)
Chicago - Hinrich (who averages under an assist per game more...yet we all know he's a very good passer and point...hmmm)
Milwaukee - Mo Williams
Miami - J-Will
Washington - Arenas
Orlando - Jameer Nelson
Atlanta - Anthony Johnson
Minnesota - Mike James
Portland - Jarrett Jack
Los Angeles - Smush Parker
Los Angeles - Sam Cassell
Sacramento - Mike Bibby
Dallas - Jason Terry
San Antonio - Tony Parker
Houston - Rafer Alston
Memphis - Damon Stoudamire

So he nabs about as many or more assists as 17 teams starting points. He's about average in that department, as I thought.
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A 6apg guard is not below average for NBA one-guards. It's probably about average or even slightly higher.

First off, why are you rounding up?? It's not 6, it's 5.5. People who average 5 assists or above that are not pg's: T-mac (6.4), LBJ (6.0), Kobe Bryant (5.4) and I could go on. Getting assists is not only about numbers. If a guy has the ball in his hands the majority of the game, of course he's gonna get about 5. At best, I'd say that's average for a pg.
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Wow. You've never heard of this rounding concept? Graduate to high school, please.

5.4 would round to 5. 5.5 rounds to 6. That's how rounding works, and that's how player's stats are commonly said. People would say Howard averages 18/12/2, not 17/12/1, or 17.5/12.2/1.9. It just makes sense.

As for your argument, I've already case opened and closed that. He's about average or possibly a little better. The guys you name are superstars. I'd actually like to see you "go on" and compile a list of 2/3s that average more than 6 a game. Please.

Sorry for having the facts.
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Wow. You've never heard of this rounding concept? Graduate to high school, please.

5.4 would round to 5. 5.5 rounds to 6. That's how rounding works, and that's how player's stats are commonly said. People would say Howard averages 18/12/2, not 17/12/1, or 17.5/12.2/1.9. It just makes sense.

As for your argument, I've already case opened and closed that. He's about average or possibly a little better. The guys you name are superstars. I'd actually like to see you "go on" and compile a list of 2/3s that average more than 6 a game. Please.

Sorry for having the facts.
I'm saying why are you rounding at all. Leave it as what it is, and don't try and enhance your point by giving him an extra half an assist per game.
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