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Old 02-02-2015, 04:59 AM   #91
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And Brady doesn't win the Superbowl without a defensive play. My point is that only a simpleton counts Superbowl appearances and/or victories as the only way to judge a player.

Brady winning a 4th title doesn't miraculously make him a better QB than Montana. I watched the entire career of both QB's, and Montana was simply better.

It's like Kobe homers who think if Kobe were to somehow win a 6th title, it would automatically make him equal or better than Michael Jordan. The truth is, regardless of accolades, MJ was just better... and anyone who actually watched both players would tell you that.

There is not a chance in hell that you have even seen an NFL game pre 2005.
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Old 02-02-2015, 05:05 AM   #92
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Last thing to add, is that I don't actually mind if people think Brady is the GOAT. To me, it's like arguing MJ vs. Kareem vs. Wilt vs. Russell vs. Magic etc. All guys are legends that have arguments for being the greatest.

Brady certainly has a case for GOAT, but if you're asking me, I'm taking Montana without hesitation. Joe might be the most clutch performer in the history of sports. He's in the conversation with guys like MJ, Tiger, Federer, etc. as far as clutch gene goes.

First you say Tiger is "clutch".............

Then you would think that no one here would know you are the same guy that says Spanoulis is the biggest scrub to ever play in the NBA, isn't good enough to play in the NBA, is the worst basketball player ever, etc.

You see, this is how you prove to everyone you are officially the biggest troll of all time to ever post here. You have officially earned that title now for all time.

Because Tiger is one of the biggest chokers ever and Spanoulis is the most clutch athlete in team sports in the whole world since Jordan.

So yeah, you are seriously a troll of unparalleled proportions that no words could even describe.

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Old 02-02-2015, 05:07 AM   #93
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Yeah, too many youngsters here who never watched Joe play. Those talking about Joe playing in an era where teams stayed together longer, that's true but Joe played in an era where you were allowed to put a hat on a QB. You can't touch a QB nowadays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNerV...e_gdata_player

Except that Montana himself said Brady is the GOAT after the game..........
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Old 02-02-2015, 05:10 AM   #94
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I mean if we're just gonna on years when they won the SB, then:

Montana - 83 for 122, 68%, 1142 yards, 11 tds, 0 ints, 127 passer rating

Absolute GOAT stats. This is in non passer friendly era, when defenses can actually hit a QB.

4 one and done in the playoffs (2nd most ever behind Peyton) and blowout losses to Vikings and Giants (twice), including one of the worst losses in playoff history are also "goat stats"...........

Brady is the GOAT

You haters are so desperate and pathetic, it's just beyond sad at this point.

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Old 02-02-2015, 05:14 AM   #95
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Jimmie Johnson has gone on record as saying the 49ers when Montana played there taped other teams the SAME EXACT WAY the Patriots were accused of for Spygate


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Jimmie Johnson has gone on record as saying the 49ers when Montana played there taped other teams the SAME EXACT WAY the Patriots were accused of for Spygate - that it was something Bill Walsh taught him to do and he did it when he coached the Cowboys.

Bill Parcells also said on record that the 49ers when Montana played there messed with the Giants telecommunications equipment and also shut off all of of their head sets during playoff games.

In addition to that, the 49ers were twice fined by the NFL and lost draft picks twice for cheating on roster rules, once on player exceptions (when Montana was QB) and once on cap violations (when Young was QB).

Finally, you have also claimed here numerous times in this forum that "your Giants never cheated"...............

Yet, it has been documented and proven that some of the Giants players were guilty of doping, both PED and also cocaine use right before games (in order to get an advantage) during their 2 Super Bowl championships in the 80s.

It's also unbelievable how ludicrous and insane your hypocrisy is, since you claim "Belichick has always been a cheater", and that "he cheated in order to win all of his titles", considering he was the Giants defensive coordinator when they won both of those Super Bowls. So if what you say is true, BOTH of those Giants Super Bowls were won through cheating, and that is even not counting the fact that they WERE WON THROUGH DOPING.

You are a sick person.

Okay mr. 5 posts in a row..

This guy is a real life Psycho.. no doubt. Dangerous. Euroleague's internet history and rage shows all the traits of a psychopath.

Jeff, inform the authorities and have them dig up his real name and such.
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Old 02-02-2015, 04:40 PM   #97
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Brady was considered a game manager for the first 3 Super Bowls.

- Brady was a pro bowler in 2001
- Brady led the NFL in TD passes in 2002
- Brady was a pro bowler again in 2004

Nice try.
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Old 02-02-2015, 07:02 PM   #98
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Montana.

If you have to ask why or have to argue then you really didn't watch Montana.
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Old 02-02-2015, 07:09 PM   #99
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Also, Brady is being compared to Montana and some idiots even say he is "better" than Montana.

Montana is compared to nobody. Talks about greatest QB's always involve Montana and <insert your QB> of choice.

Brady is one of your handfuls of QB's that fall in the category of being compared to Montana.
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Old 02-02-2015, 09:40 PM   #100
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brady, winning in the free agency era is much more impressive. Look at how hard it is to repeat nowadays.
Teams break up and need to find new talent all the time.
Montana had a lot more consistency in his teammates than brady did throughout his career.
Also 4 superbowl wins in 6 superbowl appearances is better than 4 superbowl wins in 4 superbowl appearances.
You need to earn the right to play in the superbowl.
The 90s Bills were a great team, that accomplished a lot

1) You talk about competition.. Brady has been in the weaker AFC division. Cool Joe was NFC in the 80s. Even back then, NFC was stronger overall.

2) Remember the game was significantly more physical in 80s. Nowadays, you can't even touch the WR without risking a flag. And QB? Forget it, QBs are babied in the NFL today.

3) As far as stats goes.. In the 80s, this was a run first league. Joe Cool was putting up great stats in a league where the offenses were targeted towards running the ball. Brady is in a pass-first league with referees that protect the offenses more than ever. That dilutes the passing stats significantly. Same reason why I would say Dan Marino's season record holds more value than Drew Brees.

4) Brady lost 2 superbowls no matter how you cut it. Getting there is very good, but winning is great. Joe Cool's legacy is he never lost a SB, period.

This is similar to Kobe vs Jordan debate. Jordan NEVER lost a finals while Kobe has been in 7 finals. I would never argue Kobe is greater than Jordan due to reaching more finals. What if Kobe were to win another finals in couple years as a backup to match Jordan's 6? Jordan's legacy is almost unblemished, much like Joe Cool's.

I believe Brady enters the conversation now automatically, but to automatically surpass Joe Cool? I doubt it. Maybe by the end of his career or if he wins another SB then the argument is over.
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Old 02-02-2015, 09:46 PM   #101
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If we were to even take away stats, Montana would still be GOAT. He does everything better than Brady and considered the greatest in all categories.

Arm- above average arm

IQ- best

Footwork- fantastic, the greatest in history

Scramble- excellent, not only was he a great pocket passer but he was dead accurate on the scramble. A lot of plays involved rolling out the pocket and passing on the run.

Accuracy- greatest in history. Throws to guys in stride. 49ers were notoriously known for "RAC" yards. Run after the catch. One of Walsh's philosophy.
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Old 02-02-2015, 09:48 PM   #102
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Why do Montana supporters always use the "never lost a super bowl" argument? So it's better to lose in the wildcard round than to make the super bowl? It just doesn't make sense.

4 super bowls & 6 appearances > 4 super bowls & 4 appearances

No matter how you slice it
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Why do Montana supporters always use the "never lost a super bowl" argument? So it's better to lose in the wildcard round than to make the super bowl? It just doesn't make sense.

4 super bowls & 6 appearances > 4 super bowls & 4 appearances

No matter how you slice it

Its not Montana supporters. Everyone who is a fan of football says it too.

Should we rank Jim Kelly as one of the greatest for making 4 straight Super Bowls?
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Its not Montana supporters. Everyone who is a fan of football says it too.

Should we rank Jim Kelly as one of the greatest for making 4 straight Super Bowls?
Jim Kelly is a very good QB, but even if he had t won those he would be considered in the same breath as troy aikman.
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Old 02-02-2015, 10:13 PM   #105
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Why do Montana supporters always use the "never lost a super bowl" argument? So it's better to lose in the wildcard round than to make the super bowl? It just doesn't make sense.

4 super bowls & 6 appearances > 4 super bowls & 4 appearances

No matter how you slice it

Yeah Jim Kelly > Dan Marino.

4 SB appearances > 1 SB appearance

No matter how you slice it
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