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Old 04-18-2007, 12:58 AM   #16
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there's no one in today's league that can play at Bird's level. you'll see glimpses here and there from a few players (for example like Kobe getting hot and making some incredible shots non stop) but there's no one out there right now that can rule the game like he did.

this guy dropped triple doubles before halftime a few times.

there were a couple of games where he literately shot with his left hand more times than his right.

he was such a great rebounder too. 20 years ago i used to wonder what his rebounding stats would look like if he didnt play with 2 other good rebounding big men. guy averaged 10 rpg playing with McHale and Parish.

possibly the best trash talker of all time. i could go on and on. damn he was good.
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:58 AM   #17
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bird had mchale parish dj walton in his time too

slightly better than odom adn kwame brown
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Old 04-18-2007, 12:58 AM   #18
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And that coming from a man who said this about Oscar Robertson

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And making the playoffs is important in this sport, but teams of that caliber, with stars of that skill are measured by championships. I mean he made the playoffs 5 times of 10, that's not too bad.

And I was using Iverson as an example.



If that isn't a double standard, I don't know what it is.
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:00 AM   #19
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Every game Kobe goes off he hits crazy shot after crazy shot. Shots that most players wouldnt even dream of taking or be physically able to pull off even in a horse game. I think he has done it so much that we are getting numb to it. If Lebron just had one of Kobe's games where he showed the scoring arsenal of Kobe Bryant people would creame in their pants but when Kobe does it isnt a big deal.

The thing that impresses me so much about Kobe this year is he had almost no free time to really rehab his knee to tip top shape and also didnt have time to get into top condition in the off season. With all that said he is still able to do these incredible things on the court

Kobe is spoiling everyone, including his fans. 50 is not a big deal now...but for any other player, its huge. Dude has as much 50 pt games this year (8 of them in a span of a month and half or so) as Iverson did for his whole career.

He literaly turned on a switch. And like you said, he did nothing in the offseason/training camp cuz of surgery.
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:01 AM   #20
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there's no one in today's league that can play at Bird's level. you'll see glimpses here and there from a few players (for example like Kobe getting hot and making some incredible shots non stop) but there's no one out there right now that can rule the game like he did.

this guy dropped triple doubles before halftime a few times.

there were a couple of games where he literately shot with his left hand more times than his right.

he was such a great rebounder too. 20 years ago i used to wonder what his rebounding stats would look like if he didnt play with 2 other good rebounding big men. guy averaged 10 rpg playing with McHale and Parish.

possibly the best trash talker of all time. i could go on and on. damn he was good.

When Kobe was healthy and on fire he could get to Birds level at times or even a little higher(he just isnt as consistent and hasnt done it on the highest stage yet without shaq). I remember one game where he scored 40 on Vince held vince to 10-15 on horrible shooting and had Vince wanting to fight him.
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:02 AM   #21
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Yes, because we all know Bird's teammates sucked. The fact that he had a bunch of HOFers around him his entire career negates Kobe having ONE dominant player when he won 3 rings. Not taking anything away from Bird, but that's a dumb argument, Bird's teammates were great.

Fairly valid, however, that would suggest that Bird wasn't the breadwinner on his team. And we're not just talking about any old dominate player. We're talking about Shaquille Oneil, one of the two men from this era that are Top-10 all-time. With Kobe doing thsi kind of thing all the time the Lakers won't go far. With Bird doing something like that they do go far. It's hard to explain what I'm thinking.

Bird's greatness far exceeds Kobe's, so when he shoots a lot or runs it up a bit, it's looked on favorably. Simiply put, he's proven his worth so he can gloat ("Which one of you is going to come in second tonight?").

Kobe still had a bit to go before he can truly prove to the world that he is the breadwinner of the family. And in order to that he has to win some bread, in this case a ring.
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When Kobe was healthy and on fire he could get to Birds level at times or even a little higher(he just isnt as consistent and hasnt done it on the highest stage yet without shaq). I remember one game where he scored 40 on Vince held vince to 10-15 on horrible shooting and had Vince wanting to fight him.

Remember the game back in 03. Entering the 4th qtr...Orlando had a huge lead on LA. Kobe holds Tmac to 1 point and drops 24 to get the win.
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this is a stupid comparison. bird was a point forward who did pretty much everything incredibly well at the offensive end, was a natural leader, and one of the best rebounders from the small forward position ever. kobe is a shooting guard with unbelievable scoring skills and great athleticism. if you want to compare them, it's not very fair to kobe, who had much less responsibility early in his career and much worse teammates later in his career. i mean even without looking it up i'm sure bird's got better career numbers in probably just about every category and a better career winning percentage. but that doesn't tell the whole story because like i said, when kobe was on a good team he wasn't the main man, and now that he is the main man, his team's not that good.
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When Kobe was healthy and on fire he could get to Birds level at times or even a little higher(he just isnt as consistent and hasnt done it on the highest stage yet without shaq). I remember one game where he scored 40 on Vince held vince to 10-15 on horrible shooting and had Vince wanting to fight him.

You basically just repeated what he said, but worded differently, or at least that's how I read it. I just didn't know if that's what you were going for.
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kobe gets hated and bird doesnt because of kobe is a rapi$t

it really is that simple
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So Oscar gets so much credit for winning with Kareem in a lesser role than Kobe and is a top 10 player ever, maybe eve top 5 but Kobe isn't because he won with Shaq?

Weaaaaaak.
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So Oscar gets so much credit for winning with Kareem in a lesser role than Kobe and is a top 10 player ever, maybe eve top 5 but Kobe isn't because he won with Shaq?

Weaaaaaak.


No Kobe isn't a Top-5 player because he's not good enough! That's simple.
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kobe gets hated and bird doesnt because of kobe is a rapi$t

it really is that simple

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You basically just repeated what he said, but worded differently, or at least that's how I read it. I just didn't know if that's what you were going for.

I think when Kobe is his hottest i.e. Toronto/Dallas/Portland he controls a game more so than Bird. Stats might or might not show it but Kobe has teams double him from 94 ft. away totally distorting their defense. Thats controlling a game.
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So Oscar gets so much credit for winning with Kareem in a lesser role than Kobe and is a top 10 player ever, maybe eve top 5 but Kobe isn't because he won with Shaq?

Weaaaaaak.
Oscar is in the 7-9 range.
Kobe is not even close to there.


Oscar is retired
Kobe is 28


A lot of players get appreciated for their careers after they retire
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