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Old 06-19-2015, 11:15 PM   #31
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Default Re: report: Knicks looking to trade the #4 pick and move down

At the #4 pick, I think you are really looking at derrick favors or paul millsap in a deal as to whether or not you can get jeff teague in return as well.

As for using the pick to move down. Recent trends means that teams are going to stock pile bigs. And getting an athletic 2 guard could prove to be quite useful, given that the zen philosophy might be that even if you don't shoot the ball well now, you work on that on your own, because team practice is for something else.

You might as well even look into the possibility of.Dwayne Wade if you want to roll the dice.

Typing all this on a phone
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:08 AM   #32
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Obviously recency bias would come into play.... but it doesn't matter. They ain't much different.

Lol. Yeah....recency bias. That's it.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:10 AM   #33
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Bledsoe's about to blow up though. And Phoenix seems to be more enamored with Knight.

If New York wants to do that deal, fine with me. Can only help our chances at a good pick next year.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:59 AM   #34
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Phil Jackson is going to go down as another big name brought in through panic by this organization only to end in failure. This dude may be a GOAT coach, but he has had no in-depth front office experience, at least to my knowledge.

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Old 06-20-2015, 01:58 AM   #35
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Chris Sheridan reported that if Okafor isn't on the board, Phil's gonna try to move #4, looking for cap relief and future picks. He even suggested 5 second rounders + next year's Lakers' pick as basis for #4. I'm pretty flipping sure any GM takes that deal. I will LOL so hard if something like that happens.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:18 AM   #36
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Chris Sheridan reported that if Okafor isn't on the board, Phil's gonna try to move #4, looking for cap relief and future picks. He even suggested 5 second rounders + next year's Lakers' pick as basis for #4. I'm pretty flipping sure any GM takes that deal. I will LOL so hard if something like that happens.

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Old 06-20-2015, 03:28 AM   #37
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http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06...ade-no-4-pick/

Listened to it a couple hours ago, maybe about 2/3 of way in he specifically mentions that proposal. Sounds like pure speculation on his part b/c he says Phil would try to pry more out of Danny Ainge to get Hinkie to bid up.
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Old 06-20-2015, 07:10 AM   #38
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Chris Sheridan reported that if Okafor isn't on the board, Phil's gonna try to move #4, looking for cap relief and future picks. He even suggested 5 second rounders + next year's Lakers' pick as basis for #4. I'm pretty flipping sure any GM takes that deal. I will LOL so hard if something like that happens.

Is it the Celtics or the 76ers who owns a huge load of second rounders?
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:17 PM   #39
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Is it the Celtics or the 76ers who owns a huge load of second rounders?
The 76ers have 5 this year and 9 total from 2016-2020 or something like that, so that's what that my previous post referenced. Boston has a lot too (maybe 2nd most in the NBA), but they only have 2 this year. Between 2015-2017 drafts, they likely get 4 total seconds from 76ers and T-Wolves alone, so they should be pretty decent 2nds.
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:36 PM   #40
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Phil's never been keen on young guys. He's always preferred veteran talent. And he's never been a direct position to draft before. For him this is pretty new.
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:45 PM   #41
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Not crazy. Everything I hear about the Knicks is that they dont want to rebuild slowly through picks.

Yea...I mean...unless you move Melo...kind of no point in taking a player here.

They don't have their draft pick in 2016 either.

They are stuck trying to figure out a way to put a team around Calderon/Melo/Tim Hardaway/Larkin (assuming he's back...can't remember if he's a free agent or not)

Now, that isn't actually terrible.

Calderon/Hardaway/Larkin are all players capable of playing in the rotation on a good team.

I wouldn't call Melo a superstar, but he's in that next class of player.

You fill out that roster with a trade on Thursday and then in free agency and you could get to 50 wins really fast in the East.

I think they could get really creative if they trade that number 4 pick and waive some guys.

I mean...it's the dream scenario for them, but what if they signed both Butler and Monroe in free agency? And had previously picked up something quality for that number 4 pick?

Calderon/Butler/Melo/Something/Monroe

You have something serious there. Likely? No, but something like that is possible I think depending on what the actual cap is and what kind of trade they make.
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:58 PM   #42
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2010 Raymond Felton 15 4 8 2 on 42/35/80
Last year Ty Lawson 15 3 9 1 on 44/34/73

plus they look alike and are kinda doughy
i like how you say 9 ast for lawson when it should be 10.. just to make it seem more legit
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:05 PM   #43
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If they can pull off something on Thursday....it could really help their ability to get a couple max guys in free agency....or near max guys.

I don't see how a team that has to win now...and doesn't have their draft pick next year...is going to draft a rookie with number 4 pick and hope he develops. Just the "completely miss" factor that is there will all draft picks kind of makes this a no brainer for a trade.

Pick up a proven asset from a team looking for a pick and hope you can get the players you need in free agency.

You can't do this half in/half out approach that some teams seem to do. They are stuck all in with Melo through 2019 likely. Might as well make the most of your chances each year....

Only way you take the pick is if you think you have a superstar at the number 4 slot.
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:28 PM   #44
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i like how you say 9 ast for lawson when it should be 10.. just to make it seem more legit

Do you have any idea how hard it is to make Felton comparable to Lawson?
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Old 06-22-2015, 07:45 AM   #45
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I heard the Pistons are interested in moving up, they currently have the 8th pick. Celtics could make a decent offer with all their picks.
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