Originally Posted by ShaqTwizzle
You still didn't really address my argument though Kenneth.
What if KG didn't get injured in 2009 and hypothetically that prevented Kobe from winning his last 2 titles.
Would that have Kobe a less valuable player individually in those two years?
If you say no (which is the only correct answer) then why should this new hypothetical Kobe with only 3 Rings be ranked any lower career wise then the real Kobe with his 5?
Kenneth : uhh... cuz luck or good circumstances are part of greatness?
Not how it works.
I can go out tomorrow and win the lottery but that doesn't make me better at making or managing money then you are.
Just means I am a lucky ****.
a) injuries are part of the game. they happen to nearly everyone. it all balances out in the end... kobe got ****ed over by injuries in 03, 04
b) i say kobe still wins in 2009 and 2010.
garnett averaged 18ppg on 42% fg's in the 2008 finals
garnett averaged 15ppg on 51% fg's in the 2010 finals
c) if kobe didnt win the titles in 2009 and 2010. he would be 3 for 7 in nba finals... and would have absolutely flopped without shaq
if anything. i think kobe loses spots on his all time ranking from 2008
3 rings and 1 mvp, 0 fmvps, all with shaq, 0-3 without shaq
f*ck thats nasty
he'd be lucky to be top 15
i dont care if kobe had 4 mvps. that finals record and especially without shaq would totally ruin his legacy