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Old 05-12-2017, 05:39 AM   #841
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Its 10 years not 4, what you talking about homes

Always difficult, you are
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Old 07-18-2017, 09:42 AM   #842
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Does anyone know of any easily downloadable database with historical tennis results?
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Old 07-18-2017, 09:58 AM   #843
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Does anyone know of any easily downloadable database with historical tennis results?
Not easily downloadable, but it has all the h2h results since 69.
https://matchstat.com/en/tennis/h2h-...Boris%20Becker
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:21 AM   #844
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Not easily downloadable, but it has all the h2h results since 69.
https://matchstat.com/en/tennis/h2h-...Boris%20Becker


Thanks a lot, but it's not really what I was looking for...
A db of all tournaments and matches played
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Old 07-18-2017, 10:27 AM   #845
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Thanks a lot, but it's not really what I was looking for...
A db of all tournaments and matches played
Dude, H2H stats are matches within the tournaments, in essence, it is a database of all matches played.
Here is an example:
https://matchstat.com/tennis/tournam...20Masters/1997
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Old 07-18-2017, 11:16 AM   #846
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Dude, H2H stats are matches within the tournaments, in essence, it is a database of all matches played.
Here is an example:
https://matchstat.com/tennis/tournam...20Masters/1997

Yeah but that means that I would have to copy-paste that info for every single tournament into my own excel file, no?
I'd like to find an excel file already filled in with all tournaments.
Otherwise it's easier for me to manually populate the table with the info I need for each tournament (year, name, winner, runnerup and other quartefinalists) looking them up on Wiki...
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:08 AM   #847
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had to drop by here one more time since i don't normally talk tennis at my other web hangouts. mostly it's about djokovic.

- his decision to shut it down for the year sounds like an essential move that in retrospect he probably should have done last year. the lingering / recurring elbow injury sounds like it accounted for most of his fall from form.

- at the same time, if i understand some accounts correctly, the guy did cheat on his wife at least two or three times, and apparently it came to a head the middle of last season. i'll try to hold off on judgement until i understand the facts better, but this is obviously not a good look. i can't remember the last time i heard this about a high-profile tennis player, altho i'm sure there's plenty of hanky-panky the public doesn't know about. still, when you're of the standing of djokes, being included in the company of greats and excellent sportsmen like fed, rafa and murray, stuff like this is pretty damaging in terms of the moment and in terms of legacy.

most fans still don't seem too aware of this stuff or concerned for whatever reason, but the damage is still going to be done, regardless. for example-- history can look at a guy like borg and say: "he was incredible for years, but seems to have lost his fighting spirit at some point and decided to retire young." it's just an example of course, but the point is that there's always a narrative or multiple narratives about famous players. in djoke's case, one narrative will probably be: "he was the majority favorite to win a calendar slam before his personal life blew up and everything fell apart. next year he claimed it was really his elbow at fault."

- mcenroe comparing him to tiger woods seemed ridiculous at first, but does make more sense now. if you're a djokes fan, and i am, the main relief is that nole's situation is still nowhere near tiger's fall from grace, and that's probably why agassi smacked some sense in to johnny mac for making such as over-the-top comparison.

- moving on... pretty damn amazing to see fed pull out yet another miracle major win. or maybe the word "miracle" doesn't give his greatness proper credit. at this point i really can't get upset at someone who calls him a goat, even though i'm pretty sure laver still has the greater overall accomplishments in almost every category. but at this point it's too much like saying bill russell is a goat-candidate, if only because measuring such wildly-different eras gets to be so much of a PITA. i'll just be satisfied with the idea that "goat" is almost always thrown around by casuals who are 99% interested in recent history and don't particularly care about past history or doing the hard work of research and metrics. but roger really is a hooved animal with horns IMO. to accomplish what he did at 35 is legendary, and that becomes part of the argument as well.

- not much else to say here, i guess. i did dust off my tennis game this summer and was surprised to find that it's about as good as ever. playing table tennis as my main sport clearly seems to have helped in some ways.

- not sure when the next truly interesting MMA fight will be. jones-cormier2 and may-mac are probably going to be hopelessly predictable, unfortunately with the scumbag likely winning in each case.

- my basketball team (the nets) has had an outstanding summer up until just yesterday, when they traded for the horrible contract of a one-dimension player, allen crabbe. obviously marks and atkinson see something most of us don't. still, the nets are in a dramatically better place than they were just a few months ago. i honestly don't think we're nearly the worst team in the league anymore, nor that we lack a future.

knock on wood.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:21 AM   #848
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For those interested: some months ago I had talked about a series of articles on an Italian tennis website dealing with the (Open era) GOAT issue.
Today they published the final article so here is a recap.

The author's objective is to check if there can be an answer to GOAT question looking only at objective elements (numbers) in as solid a method as possible.


The process is as follows:


1) He selects the following candidates from the past:
- Agassi
- Borg
- Connors
- Lendl
- McEnroe
- Sampras

and the following ones from the present:
- Djokovic
- Nadal
- Federer


2) He collects data, year-by-year, for each candidate concerning:
. W-L
. W-L vs Top 5
. Titles
. Finals
. Results in Slams
. Results in other main tournaments that they took part in


3) Based on the above variables, he selects, for each candidate:
. the best year
. the best 3 years (not necessarily in a row)
. the best 5 years (")
. the best 9 years (", and 9, not 10, so as to take account of Borg's short career)


4) For each time range, he "anonimizes" the players' results and compares them in order to pick the best one. First he does this for the candidates from the past, with the following results:

BEST YEAR
W-L = 82-3
W-L vs Top 5 = 14-1
Titles = 14
Finals = 3
Slam results = 2 W, 1 Final
Other main tournaments = 4 W
which is McEnroe's 1984.

BEST 3 YEARS
W-L = 232-19
W-L vs Top 5 = 34-5
Titles = 32
Finals = 3
Slam results = 6 W, 2 Finals
Other main tournaments = 14 W (incl. 1 Tour Finals win)

In this case the player is Borg, and the years are 1978, 1980, 1979

BEST 5 YEARS
W-L = 340-31
W-L vs Top 5 = 41-9
Titles = 15
Finals = 9
Slam results = 8 W, 3 Finals
Other main tournaments = 21 W (incl. 1 Tour Finals win)

The player is again Borg, the years are the same as above + 1977 and 1981

BEST 9 YEARS
W-L = 615-74
W-L vs Top 5 = 64-21
Titles = 63
Finals = 24
Slam results =11 W, 4 Finals
Other main tournaments = 27 W (incl. 1 Tour Finals win)

The player is again Borg; the years are, well, his entire career, 1973-1981.



5.a) Selection of the best years for the current candidates
NOLE
Best year: 2015
Best 3 years: 2015, 2011, 2012
Best 5 years: 2015, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016
Best 9 years: 2015, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2014
RAFA
Best year: 2010
Best 3 years: 2010, 2008, 2013
Best 5 years: 2010, 2008, 2013, 2007, 2017
Best 9 years: 2010, 2008, 2013, 2007, 2017, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012
ROGER
Best year: 2006
Best 3 years: 2006, 2005, 2007
Best 5 years: 2006, 2005, 2007, 2004, 2017
Best 9 years: 2006, 2005, 2007, 2004, 2017, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2012



5.b) Comparison of the past candidate "winners" of each time range with the current candidates (Nole, Fed, Rafa): again, anonimizing the records so that the comparison is least likely to be biased by personal preference.
Here I will copy-paste the figures so please don't mind the formatting

BEST YEAR
Player V-S Contro i top 5 Titoli Finali Slam Altro
A 82-3 14-1 14 1 W (W, US) F (RG) 5 “1000” M
B 82-6 16-4 11 4 W(AO, W, US) F(RG) 6 “100” M
C 92-5 8-4 12 4 W(AO, W, US) F(RG) 4 “1000” M
D 71-10 5-5 7 2 W(W, RG, US) 3 “1000” FM

A-B... is a toss-up.
D is quite clearly the worst.

BEST THREE YEARS
Player V-S Contro i top 5 Titoli Finali Slam Altro
A 232-19 34-5 32 3 6 Vittorie 2 Finali 13 “1000” 1 M
B 227-22 42-15 27 10 7 Vittorie 3 Finali 14 “1000” 2 M
C 247-15 34-5 34 5 8 Vittorie 3 Finali 11 “100” 2 M
D 228-28 28-11 25 9 7 Vittorie 11 “1000” 1 Ol.

Here, C looks like the best one.
Then, it's between A and B.
D is the worst.


BEST 5 YEARS
Player V-S Contro i top 5 Titoli Finali Slam Altro
A 340-31 41-9 45 9 8 Vittorie 3 Finali 20 “1000” 1 M
B 346-40 59-22 41 15 10 Vittorie 6 Finali 21 “1000” 3 M
C 367-29 49-8 49 10 13 Vittorie 4 finali 17 “1000” 3 M
D 365-53 40-17 37 16 10 Vittorie 2 Finali 16 “1000”

Here, C is again quite clearly the best.

BEST 9 YEARS
Player V-S Contro i top 5 Titoli Finali Slam Altro
A 615-74 64-21 63 24 11 Vittorie 4 Finali 27 “1000” 1 M
B 637-105 83-48 61 26 12 Vittorie 8 Finali 30 “1000” 5 M
C 630-81 72-33 68 25 18 Vittorie 6 Finali 21 “1000” 5 M
D 601-100 65-34 64 27 14 vittorie 6 Finali 28 “1000”

C is again quite clearly the best.



6) Now let's decode the letters:
Players B, C and D are, in order: Nole, Fed, Nadal.
Player A is McEnroe for the "best year" comparison, and Borg for the others.


7) Conclusions:
McEnroe had the best ever year.
In all other time ranges, Federer had the best results, which is also true if we extend the ranges further (therefore excluding Borg from the analysis) to 10 and 15 years.
Therefore, Federer can be considered as the Open era GOAT, according to this definition.

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Old 01-17-2018, 03:19 AM   #849
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Hi resident ISH tennis heads..

Have placed a few tennis bets with decent success recently (NBA has been possibly the hardest it's ever been to pick on a daily basis this season).. With the Aussie Open in full swing I'm looking for your thoughts on any locks to reach the 4th round or further in men's (and women's if you're into that), seeds that look shaky, possible upsets etc.

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