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Old 11-06-2015, 01:53 PM   #31
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Ok I think there have been some pretty extreme things about LEGENDARY players in this thread. Smith is a legend...


...but if anyone thinks Emmitt Smith is better than Barry Sanders, go home and stop watching football. That is all.


Nobody here is saying he is better than Sanders, or Brown....shit I think even primetime would agree with that....

I just think its ridiculous that Smith is being discredited as being one of the greats.....just because the man had a good line to run behind, means his all time rushing records were because of the line, and not him?
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Old 11-06-2015, 01:54 PM   #32
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AND a great passing game from Aikman/Irving to open the field for him is pathetic.
Dallas did not have a great passing game. Aikman average only 200 yards and 1 TD per game, he went over 20 TD once in his entire career. Your average is always going to take a hit when you run the ball that much, including goaline usage.
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:12 PM   #33
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:15 PM   #34
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Nobody here is saying he is better than Sanders, or Brown....shit I think even primetime would agree with that....

I just think its ridiculous that Smith is being discredited as being one of the greats.....just because the man had a good line to run behind, means his all time rushing records were because of the line, and not him?

Ah yeah, true. You're right no one is saying that.

It's funny though people try to do the same thing and discredit Brady because he has Belichick, or discredit Belichick because he has Brady they like to have it both ways
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Old 11-06-2015, 02:50 PM   #35
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Smith ran for 1,000+ yards 11 consecutive years

guess how many other players have done that?....zero

just 25 yards short of doing it for 12 straight years...



Emmitt is a very worthy HOF RB...he had arguably the greatest CAREER a RB has ever had.

You can argue that others had better SEASONS than he ever had...but there aren't many that had arguably better careers...if any at all.

Ah, I just want to barf reading this nonsense.
He was a good running back, great teammate and was extremely durable. He is a hall of famer running back due to his longevity and accomplishment; in terms of pure talent, he just isn't as good as you think.

I have hard time imagining Barry, Faulk, Brown etc. doing worse than Smith on those Dallas squads. He was their work horse running back, very similar to Forte now. He's had his moments like any running back, in fact, over his long career; he had a lot of great moments. Marshall Faulk had two all-pro linesman for a stretch; during those years, he averaged over 5.0 YPC all THREE seasons.

Smith had at least one all-pro for TEN consecutive seasons and managed to go over the 5.0 mark just once.

I've always looked at him as a good, reliable back who won't battle injuries and consistently move the ball for you. He simply isn't a play-make like the truly legendary backs in history.

I can name 10 backs I simply consider better right now.

Barry Sanders
Jim Brown
Walter Payton
OJ Simpson
Adrian Peterson
Marshal Faulk
Bo Jackson
Jamal Charles
LaDanian Tomlinson

These guys I'd definitely take over Smith any day.
They are just more talented backs.

Smith's #'s is whats most memorable about him; he was a lot like Tim Duncan. Great longevity, highly effective but in football; the success you have at running the ball heavily impacts on the team around you. Smith was in the perfect situation to accumulate great numbers as long as he stayed healthy. If everything is constant, and I go back to the 90's; I'd take any of those backs I mentioned over Smith on that Dallas squad.

I don't even want to imagine what Peterson, Charles, Faulk or Sanders would averaged behind that all-pro offensive line.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:03 PM   #36
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You only listed 9.....missing one.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:09 PM   #37
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You might keep asking yourselves "Why is he bringing up all-pro teams when there are 5 people blocking."

The reason I bring it up is because we're talking about run blocking not pass blocking. Go do some research on Minnesota Vikings and ask yourself why Steve Hutchinson was the single most important linesman in football. Heck some experts were calling him the most important player period, moreso than a QB.

Hutchinson was an all-pro guard, made it 5 times. He was drafted in 2001.

Shaun Alexander

2001: 1318 yards & 4.3 YPC
2002: 1175 yards & 4.0 YPC [Hutchinson played only 4 games due to injury]
2003: 1435 yards & 4.4 YPC
2004: 1696 yards & 4.8 YPC
2005: 1880 yards & 5.1 YPC

[Hutchinson leaves Seattle; goes to play for Minnesota]

2006: 896 yards & 3.6 YPC
2007: 716 yards & 3.5 YPC

In 2005 Minnesota had 1467 rushing yards & averaged 3.9 per carry.
In 2006 Minnesota had 1820 rushing yards & averaged 4.1 per carry.

One man made that difference, and they didn't even have Peterson on the team yet, he would join them in 2007.

Hutchinson retired in 2012;

Peterson put up 2097 yards & 6.0 YPC

In 2013, he averaged 4.5 YPC & 1266 yards without Hutchinson.
Now the reason Peterson is just a better back than Smith is because his production remains impressive regardless of who is blocking for him.

Unlike Smith, who's production seemed pretty average once his line deteriorated. Even then, he had a guard who was even better than Hutchinson (Allen) blocking for him. He only could mustard 4.0 YPC during that span.

I'm sorry I just don't think he's that great.
You saw what Alexander did with Hutchinson blocking for him.
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You only listed 9.....missing one.

Oops, my bad.
Dickerson is my 10th.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:20 PM   #39
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Emmit is overrated.

One of the most overrated of all time imo

He had gaping holes to run through and eye test just showed a dude just jogging through holes and getting big yards.

Eye test.

Back to bo Jackson analogy.

Eye test bo, is the goat.

Stats show otherwise.
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If you're going to list guys like Bo Jackson, who doesn't belong listed next to HOF players, then you might as well list every single RB that had one amazing year.

I mean why is CJ2K not listed? his 2K year obliterates Bo's entire career.

or Terrell Davis...Jamal Lewis...etc?
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When you are ranking actual careers, Emmitt can only be top-5.

If you're ranking the top SEASONS of all time? Maybe Emmitt isn't in the top-5...although he did have some great seasons.


Anyone who has Bo Jackson over Emmitt Smith in an "All-Time RB" list is a moron though.
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Old 11-06-2015, 03:27 PM   #42
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If you're going to list guys like Bo Jackson, who doesn't belong listed next to HOF players, then you might as well list every single RB that had one amazing year.

I mean why is CJ2K not listed? his 2K year obliterates Bo's entire career.

or Terrell Davis...Jamal Lewis...etc?

I am listing players who were naturally better at running the ball.
They were either more physical, had better vision, were more versatile, more elusive or more athletic.

Bo Jackson was easily better than Smith; the only argument you have for Smith is his durability and longevity. Watch the ****ing game bro and stop being such a homer. Smith wasn't much different than Forte; a prototypical work horse.

I dropped some knowledge on you, backed it up with facts and gave showed you how much success guys like Alexander have had behind an all-pro guard.

Smith has had that type of help his ENTIRE career.
In 95' he had THREE ( ) linesman who made the all-pro team.

That's ****ing insane.
And the dude could only muster 4.7 YPC?
That's kind of pathetic.
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When you are ranking actual careers, Emmitt can only be top-5.

If you're ranking the top SEASONS of all time? Maybe Emmitt isn't in the top-5...although he did have some great seasons.


Anyone who has Bo Jackson over Emmitt Smith in an "All-Time RB" list is a moron though.

Watch your fingers hillbilly.

Bo was a better running back than emmitt.

If you can't see that, you dumber than I thought.

Once again, you are going by stats with your counter argument.

Bo was a straight beast.

4.1 speed with the size and strength of a linebacker.

That's the bottom line.

In the games he played, he absolutely dominated.

With combination of size speed and athleticism that has never and will never be seen.
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When you are ranking actual careers, Emmitt can only be top-5.

If you're ranking the top SEASONS of all time? Maybe Emmitt isn't in the top-5...although he did have some great seasons.


Anyone who has Bo Jackson over Emmitt Smith in an "All-Time RB" list is a moron though.

I'm talking about their ability to run the ball, not their career accomplishments.
I just can't picture Bo doing less with Dallas. I saw him run the ball and the man was an animal.

The most athletic guy in sports history perhaps.
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what a fun thread this is
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