Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > InsideHoops Main Basketball Forums > NBA Forum

NBA Forum NBA Message Board - NBA Fan Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-04-2016, 10:44 PM   #16
nba_55
Kevin Love
 
nba_55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,584
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

You wrote all that long stupid shit to make the same lame jokes made hundred of times before in here?
nba_55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2016, 10:46 PM   #17
warriorfan
The Bully
 
warriorfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 18,641
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by nba_55
You wrote all that long stupid shit to make the same lame jokes made hundred of times before in here?

nigga lets be serious you have posted "1-9" 6,000 times
warriorfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2016, 10:47 PM   #18
JT123
big time kobe stan
 
JT123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Kobeville
Posts: 7,281
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by warriorfan
nigga lets be serious you have posted "1-9" 6,000 times
Wrong account
JT123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2016, 10:48 PM   #19
dubeta
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 9,570
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by JT123
Wrong account

dubeta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-04-2016, 10:49 PM   #20
Gus Hemmingway
Banned
 
Gus Hemmingway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Newport Beach, CA
Posts: 5,011
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by warriorfan
nigga lets be serious you have posted "1-9" 6,000 times
Forgot to switch back to Vectors
Gus Hemmingway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 12:04 AM   #21
!@#$%Vectors!@#
Nanimosuruna, Kizaru
 
!@#$%Vectors!@#'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Kizaru-Oops,you're Ben Beckman
Posts: 2,779
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

just got back from cafeteria. What is Simon melting down about?
!@#$%Vectors!@# is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 12:18 AM   #22
jstern
NBA lottery pick
 
jstern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,355
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

If you're new to basketball, then you're lacking many, many years of experience, decades of experience. And the last thing you should be doing in using some eye test to judge players. That's what most teenage types do anyway. I've seen them use the eye test to say that And1 players are just as good as NBA players, they just don't go to the NBA because they are passionate about And1. For the average human, the eye test is just going to make their favorite players look like one of the GOAT, and their most hated player, just a scrub.

Last edited by jstern : 02-05-2016 at 12:44 AM.
jstern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 12:22 AM   #23
jstern
NBA lottery pick
 
jstern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,355
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

For those of us who are not familiar with all the alts, can someone give some background on how Warrior's fan was caught using the wrong account?
jstern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 04:51 AM   #24
Andrei89
#HEATNATION
 
Andrei89's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 8,799
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by warriorfan
nigga lets be serious you have posted "1-9" 6,000 times


Lol stupid OP not even capable of switching to the other account
Andrei89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 05:22 AM   #25
3ball
NBA Superstar
 
3ball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 14,432
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Centers have a bigger defensive impact when compared directly to wing players, but the advantage they give their team relative to those wing players depends on how their impact compares to other centers, not wing players.

For example, Shaq's team realizes no ADVANTAGE when his defensive impact is matched or exceeded by the opposing center.. This happened more often for him than it happened for MJ/Pippen/Lebron, since they ranked at the TOP of their position defensively, while he didn't - Shaq only achieved three 2nd team all defense in 17 years (no 1st teams).. So on average, perennial 1st team defenders like MJ/Pippen/Lebron gave their team a bigger advantage in defensive impact over the opposing wing, then Shaq's advantage over the opposing center, which means they provided their team with a bigger defensive impact.

Here's an example - look at the Ray Allen vs. Jordan DPBM comparison (-1.3 to Jordan's 1.1) and then look at Ray's teammate, center Ervin Johnson vs. Shaq (2.6 to Shaq's 1.6).. Now who provided the greater defensive impact to their team?????. Again, Shaq's team realizes no ADVANTAGE from his defensive impact anytime it's matched or exceeded by the opposing team's center.

Btw, I used the defensive boxscore stat to measure defensive impact because the verbage "defensive box score" makes it easy to conceptualize the advantage in defensive impact that a player can provide.. But ANY stat/methodology could be used to measure defensive impact - the main point is that we know elite defenders provided their teams with a bigger advantage in defensive impact over their matchup, then Shaq provided over his.

And the same concept applies to ANY elite defensive player that ranks higher defensively at their position than Shaq, who was not an elite defensive center.

Now obviously, MJ, Pippen and Lebron probably DON'T provide their team with a greater defensive impact than guys like Hakeem/Robinson/Mutombo - those guys were elite at their position AS WELL, and likely held a greater advantage in defensive impact over opposing centers than MJ/Pip/Lebron held over opposing wings... But not Shaq - Shaq was NOT an elite defender like Hakeem/Robinson/Mutombo, so he didn't have a larger advantage in defensive impact over opposing centers than MJ/Pippen/Lebron have over opposing wings.

Shaq was lazy with poor work ethic and only made three 2nd team all defense in 17 years (no 1st teams).. Consequently, his teams were never great defensive teams - they ranked in the league's top 6 only 1 time in 15 years thru his Miami days, and top 10 only 7 times in 15 years.

There's no guarantee that if you drafted Shaq over Jordan, your team would be better defensively - infact, it's the opposite - Shaq's teams were far worse defensively over the course of his career than Jordan's, even though Shaq had all-pro defenders Eddie Jones, Kobe, Wade and Horace Grant (in 1995 and 1996).

He also had Alonzo Mourning in 2006, who led the Heat bench (2.7 blocks in 20 minutes).. In 2001, his team had the 21st ranked defense despite being stacked defensively with all-pro defender Kobe and other solid defenders like Robert Horry, Derek Fisher, Rick Fox, and Horace Grant (he started every game).
.

Last edited by 3ball : 02-05-2016 at 05:39 AM.
3ball is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 05:26 AM   #26
SyRyanYang
Great college starter
 
SyRyanYang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: AKLD,NZ
Posts: 3,576
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Jabbar
eye test is the ultimate measure, for instance, this: https://youtu.be/TR7OpShULUg?t=114 doesnt make the top 30

Look at the ref's face at 1:32
SyRyanYang is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 05:28 AM   #27
sportjames23
GOAT
 
sportjames23's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 12,477
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by warriorfan
nigga lets be serious you have posted "1-9" 6,000 times


Got 'em!
sportjames23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 05:29 AM   #28
SugarHill
infamous souvlaki
 
SugarHill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: crapturds
Posts: 11,271
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

anyone else lol at 3ball just casually posting an essay in the middle of a bunch of personal one liners?
SugarHill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 09:51 AM   #29
!@#$%Vectors!@#
Nanimosuruna, Kizaru
 
!@#$%Vectors!@#'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Kizaru-Oops,you're Ben Beckman
Posts: 2,779
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SugarHill
anyone else lol at 3ball just casually posting an essay in the middle of a bunch of personal one liners?

I tried reading the whole thing but it wasn't related to this so I stopped.
!@#$%Vectors!@# is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2016, 10:39 AM   #30
sd3035
Impartial NBA analyst
 
sd3035's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 7,081
Default Re: "EyeTest" As an Advanced Stat?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marchesk
It was the eye test that convinced me of Wilt's case for GOAThood.


Curry's dunk from earlier this year

sd3035 is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:09 PM.




NBA BASKETBALL FORUM KEY LINKS:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
Search Site

FOLLOW US
Twitter
Facebook


















Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy