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Old 02-23-2016, 08:57 AM   #16
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Hillary wins rather comfortably. She only needs to carry the Blue Wall states that have voted Democrat in six straight elections plus:

*Virginia, which has trended solidly to the left over the past decade, with Obama carrying it twice, and with growth in the state focused on Democratic areas (NoVA) and demographics (Hispanics).

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*FL, which Obama carried twice, and isn't going to get any easier for Republicans given its increasing Hispanic population and the GOP's increasingly scorched-Earth "They're murderers and rapists!" campaign. Contrary to common perception, more Florida Latinos now identify as Democrat (38%) over Republican (28%).

That's over 270 right there, but she'll probably carry Nevada/New Mexico (heavily Latino), and New Hampshire/Iowa (5 of 6 elections have gone to the Democrat) as well.


How depressing. Goes to show how entrenched and fucked up our election process is. If Trump picks Rubio as a running mate it might help in Florida but not much anywhere else.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:01 AM   #17
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How depressing. Goes to show how entrenched and fucked up our election process is. If Trump picks Rubio as a running mate it might help in Florida but not much anywhere else.
It is ****ed up but not because people who Trump has blasted constantly won't vote for him. That makes sense. That's the whole reason you can't really run a scorched earth campaign most of the time because it circles back.

In the general election it's going to circle back. All the people who Trump has had middle fingers up toward get to vote now.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:14 AM   #18
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Who wins and how would it go down?

Hillary wins and probably we see the Democrats recapture the Senate and make inroads in the House, though the GOP keeps control of the House. People will say this validates the Obama Presidency.

I actually think due to demographics and voting numbers we are in for a run in which the Democrats hold the White House for a while, the Senate changes hands (Democrats holding it after Presidential elections and the GOP holding it outside of those times) and the House staying in the hands of the GOP.
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Old 02-23-2016, 02:08 PM   #19
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As long as Sanders goes down.
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:00 PM   #20
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Hillary wins rather comfortably. She only needs to carry the Blue Wall states that have voted Democrat in six straight elections plus:

*Virginia, which has trended solidly to the left over the past decade, with Obama carrying it twice, and with growth in the state focused on Democratic areas (NoVA) and demographics (Hispanics).

And...

*FL, which Obama carried twice, and isn't going to get any easier for Republicans given its increasing Hispanic population and the GOP's increasingly scorched-Earth "They're murderers and rapists!" campaign. Contrary to common perception, more Florida Latinos now identify as Democrat (38%) over Republican (28%).

That's over 270 right there, but she'll probably carry Nevada/New Mexico (heavily Latino), and New Hampshire/Iowa (5 of 6 elections have gone to the Democrat) as well.
Lol. Leftists are priceless.

Isn't it amazing how illegals expanded to all Mexicans? After months of the dishonest claim that "Trump said MEXICANS are criminals and rapists" now you're framing it as he called "Latinos" murderers and rapists. Somehow, it has expanded further to anybody whose grandparents spoke Spanish.

Lol. You people are absolutely shameless in your propaganda.
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:04 PM   #21
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How depressing. Goes to show how entrenched and fucked up our election process is. If Trump picks Rubio as a running mate it might help in Florida but not much anywhere else.
you'd take Trump over Hillary?
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:14 PM   #22
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you'd take Trump over Hillary?
who wouldn't?
She's a criminal
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:33 PM   #23
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Hillary would be a pretty standard failed presidency... I'd put her chances of being impeached at some point over 50%. The one thing she's got going for her is that she'll be set up to fail (incoming recession + crime investigation + Republican obstructionism that'll make the Obama era look like a bipartisan paradise) so anything halfway decent coming out of her administration would be a surprise.

Trump is a completely different animal. It would be one of those historical "moments"... I imagine it would be somewhat of a dark age of arbitrary power and decadence, one of those chapters in your country's history you're slightly ashamed of (but also love to read about because of all the juicy anecdotes). Perhaps more silly, strange and exotic than dangerous, but that line is easily crossed.

You'll recover either way, I'm sure - well, unless we're all dead.

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Old 02-23-2016, 04:09 PM   #24
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Lol. Leftists are priceless.

Isn't it amazing how illegals expanded to all Mexicans? After months of the dishonest claim that "Trump said MEXICANS are criminals and rapists" now you're framing it as he called "Latinos" murderers and rapists. Somehow, it has expanded further to anybody whose grandparents spoke Spanish.

Lol. You people are absolutely shameless in your propaganda.

Shameless propaganda looks more like this:



Did I exaggerate? Definitely. But perception is reality, and the perception of Trump as a vehemently anti-Latino candidate is going to stick to him like glue for as long as he remains in the race. That's reality. Cracking anchor baby jokes and threatening mass deportations = record low share of the Latino vote. With that goes any realistic shot at the presidency.

In 1988 George HW Bush won 60% of the non-Hispanic White vote...and won in a landslide.

In 2012, Romney won 60% of the non-Hispanic White vote...and lost badly.

I doubt Trump could even get 60%, given his unpopularity with women and college educated Whites.
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:11 PM   #25
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In our most recent survey, Liberals in general were 64% more likely to report major depression, 320% more likely to report bipolar disorder, 50% more likely to report mild depression, and 113% more likely to report Seasonal Affective Disorder.

They were also more likely to use a variety of anti-anxiety and depressive drugs, such as SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors)--86% more likely, and Anti-anxiety drugs--159% more likely. SNRIs (Selective Norepinephrine Reuptake Inhibitors ) and Tricyclics were also used at a higher rate, but not in significant numbers for either Liberals or Conservatives.

One interesting note, Liberals and Conservatives reported a very high satisfaction rate with the anti-anxiety drugs. SNRIs were also well received, though not as well as the anti-anxiety drug group. SSRIs had mixed reviews, and tricyclics were generally disliked.

On the graph below, we see the major depression breakdown for the Very Conservative (VC), Conservative (C), Liberal (L), and Very Liberal (VL) cohorts.



The above graph shows a stong elevation in the Very Liberals, with the females reporting very high rates of major depression. The Very Liberal males are also the highest on the male scale.

Below, we see the rates of bipolar depression among our political cohorts. Again, we see elevations in the Very Liberals and Liberals, especially the females. Out of the 50 Very Conservative females that responded to our survey, none reported bipolar depression.



Liberals are also elevated in both genders for the most common form of depression---mild depression (see below).



And finally, on the graph below, Liberals of both genders show an elevation in Seasonal Affective Disorder.



This elevated tendency for depressive and anxious disorders is compelling evidence of fundamental differences in the neurophysiological make-up of Liberals and Conservatives. Elevated depression and anxiety rates provide further evidence of a right hemispheric bias in the average Liberal. There is substantial evidence that the right hemisphere is more strongly linked with depressive and anxious disorders than the left.

The stronger the Liberal belief, the greater the probability of depression and anxiety. Conversely, the stronger the Conservative belief, the lower the probability of anxious disorders. However, depressive disorders do not follow this trend in the males, as the Very Conservatives were slightly more likely to have a depressive disorder than the regular Conservatives, but still much less than the average Liberal.

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Old 02-23-2016, 04:16 PM   #26
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How depressing. Goes to show how entrenched and fucked up our election process is. If Trump picks Rubio as a running mate it might help in Florida but not much anywhere else.

Republicans have their share of loyal states too, but they're significantly smaller and less populous than their Blue counterparts.

This was supposed to be the election where the GOP made its move to appeal to Latino voters, but their extremist faction had other ideas.

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Old 02-23-2016, 04:18 PM   #27
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Trump vs Hilldawg

No matter who wins, AMERICA LOSES

So you'd vote Sanders?

Me too.
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So you'd vote Sanders?

Me too.
why?
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:32 PM   #29
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It would be a hilarious blow out. Like Reagan v Mondale levels.
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Old 02-23-2016, 04:37 PM   #30
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It would be a hilarious blow out. Like Reagan v Mondale levels.
You guys are in for a rude awakening like the people who were positive that Romney would beat Obama.
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