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Old 02-24-2016, 04:55 AM   #1
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Default Shaquille Oneal. The NBAs all time leader in forcibly inflicted humility?

First...a small bit of background for what I assume is the majority of you who were never into pro wrestling. Im not now...I was in the 80s. Because of that I am well acquainted with a man known as the Iron Sheik. He is now an old man who is just a parody of himself...in his prime he was an Olympic level wrestler for Iran....fled when they got all crazy in the 70s....has been here since.

His belief...both in character and in real life....is that the best way to create humble people...

Well I wont go all into it...urban dictionary does a good job here:


http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...&defid=4489617


Here he is explaining it somewhat:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpoMGHYKGo8


I dont think we require the....more colorful part...but the concept is clear. Physical domination to such an extent...you have made your opponent humble. My friends and I have long referenced people being made humble after moments of great sports related physical domination. We rank these humblings on a scale of 1 to 3 Sheiks. Why not 1-5? I dont think anyone survives something id call a 5 Sheik humbling. 4 is likely the utter ruination of your career.....think...the hit that put Jahvid best out for like 4 years with a concussion then he finally just retired still in his prime. Think Kermit Washington making Rudy T taste spinal fluid. Think LT on Joe Theisman. We are talking life altering moments that become ESPN specials. In the interests of keeping it as classy as this largely classless topic can be....ive chosen to exempt level 4 and 5 humblings.


Shaq was doling out 1-2 Sheik humblings on an almost weekly basis for at least 10 years straight and was known to delve into 3 Sheik territory several times a season. I'll start with the most obvious example....the first thing that came to your mind:



No doubt...





That there....is a textbook 3 Sheik humbling.

Brutal setup....great play....utter disregard for the victims well being and ability to later put bass in his voice when talking to his children. Shaq trebled his voice up mightily. He didnt actually hurt him....Dudley got up fine. Even threw the ball at Shaq which might suggest to some of you he wasnt as humbled as a 3 Sheik rating suggests....but no. That was humbling rage. That can happen before you have time to reflect. It went away and he went to the bench and sat and stared into space...humbled. Pissed....but humbled. The fact that he was brutalized but not actually injured keeps it valid and out of the 4-5 range that is just....too much for polite conversation.


So with that as a standard....I will present my evidence for Shaq as the #1 humbler of all time.






























He had the Dudley humbling...one of the few 3 Sheiks of the entire era. But he also had this:






Which I have to consider...another 3 Sheiks.

David got abused....the move itself was great...he was left on the ground...and shrugged off Shaqs leg like a mild inconvenience. We have never officially decided that you must be on the ground at the end to be a level 3....but its a good indicator.

Pippen on Ewing? Ewing on the ground Pippen standing dominant over him. Clear 3 Sheiker. But Vince over the Frenchman? Dude standing unharmed...still a 3. So its a little subjective. Its like porn....hard to describe why all nudity on film isnt it....you just know it when you see it.

You know a 3 Sheik...and they wont all conform to one set of rules. But here I think its clear.

So...Shaq is at at least 2 3 Sheik plays.


But consider this as well:


















Less violent....but he quite literally....rested his balls on dudes head. Granted...Shaq is much bigger...but the bully aspect has always been a factor. Huge and powerful athletes are just more likely....to make you humble.

He was minding his own business...Shaq jumps over him.....kills a putback one handed...and comes down as if dude wasnt there. The total disregard? I think that moves it into the realm of a 3 Sheik play. You know that guy had to go home and look in the mirror and convince himself he still mattered. Hes still got his scholarship. Hes gonna graduate...get a nice wife. Take care of his family. That play makes you go home and try to block out thoughts of it using the things that "really matter". You have to go rebuild your confidence...this man just put his balls on your head on tv. You were humbled.

Shaq arguably has a few more level 3s but im less confident about them. He does have maybe the meanest list of 1 and 2s of his time though. Plays like:














Where Dale Davis was humbled. I wont call it a 3....because Dale could have backed down...he stepped in and took that like a man. He was humbled no doubt....but he wasnt just....wiped out. He didnt need to go reevaluate his place in the cosmos or anything. Plus he stayed on his feet which im giving him credit for. Thats a 2. Maybe a 1 by Shaqs standards....2 by normal athlete.








This im giving a firm 2. You might glance and think 1....but you need the audio. Google it...from the 95 all star game when players still contested shots that weekend...



Also on Drob....but before the 3 Sheiker. He was working up to fully humble David...who he was known to have beef with. Shaq and Jordan were clowning Drob about it for some time im told.




This im not sure about....it may be the Bulls fan in me not wanting to admit that my 2 favorite players suffered a humbling but:





He got MJ and Pippen at the same time. But....he kinda split them....and they were unscathed. Would you give him a Sheik for that because its Jordan and Pippen? Id understand....but you wont get me to agree easily.


Would Shaq get your vote for the most humbling player of your time as a fan? And if not....who? I can see a case for Vince....Jordan...Kemp. Kobe broke a few backs...made some men humble.

But I dont think anyone can contend with Shaqs volume of legit 2 Sheikers and small handful of 3.

Most...even great players....dont have a single true 3 Sheik play. Note...I said play. Not dunk. I happen to be posting dunks since its Shaq....but there are other ways to make a man humble.

Wades between the legs crossover made quite a few men humble.

Some blocks do it.

some jumpers even but its tough. When Kobe made that like...triple pump fake on Hill and the Suns coach had to pay respect? He might...have made Grant a little humble. But its tough without the physical aspect.


Feel free to give me your evidence(dont have to post a gif if you dont feel like the trouble...ill likely remember anything you mention). I think in the end Shaq will stand tall and don the shirt of triumph:




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Old 02-24-2016, 05:15 AM   #2
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funny thread but the dunks on dudley and robinson black tornado or whatever shaq called it have to be level 4

level 4s imo are vince on weis, stro on tyrus, iverson double crossover, wade on varajao, lebron on damon jones, rose on dragic, etc. I could go on and on. of this generation, kyrie and curry humble people the most

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Old 02-24-2016, 05:18 AM   #3
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:28 AM   #4
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To me a 4 Sheik humbling has to be career altering....it has to define you. Because of that I suppose I can consider Vince on Weis because....thats who he is. He is....that guy Vince jumped over. But usually to be that significant....it destroys your career. Like Nick Anderson at the FT line in the finals. The line itself...may have applied a level 4 humbling. He went off and had seasons shooting 44% from the FT line. His career.....is defined by that moment. He was never the same. He went to therapy.

Short of physical injury which id like to avoid....those are the only things I consider for a level 4.

It has to be the first thing people think of when you come up. It has to erase all your previous and future accomplishments and justify mention on your wikipedia page. see:


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"Le dunk de la mort"[edit]

Weis is known for having been posterized by the United States' Vince Carter during a basketball game between the U.S. and France at the 2000 Summer Olympics on September 25, 2000. After getting the ball off a steal, the 6'6" (1.98 m) Carter drove to the basket, leaped, spread his legs as he jumped over 7'2" (2.18 m) Weis, and ferociously dunked the ball. The French media dubbed the slam "le dunk de la mort": "the dunk of death." The US won the game 106-94. In an ESPN story published on the 15th anniversary of the dunk, Weis said that Carter "deserves to make history. Sadly for me, I was on the video, too. I learned people can fly."[5]



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Game One of the NBA Finals was against the defending champion Houston Rockets, at the Orlando Arena. With the Magic up by three points late in the game, Anderson, typically a 70% free throw shooter, missed four consecutive free throws that could have sealed the victory for Orlando. Kenny Smith hit a three-pointer for Houston shortly thereafter, tying the game and sending it to overtime. The Rockets went on to win the game in overtime and eventually swept the Magic, winning their second consecutive NBA Championship. As a result of this incident, some Orlando fans began to label Anderson with the derogatory nicknames of "Nick the Brick" and "Brick Anderson."
Post-1995 Career[edit]

Two seasons after the 1995 finals, Anderson's career took an abrupt downward spiral, largely due to a sudden inability to shoot free throws, and he even suffered an injury in Game 3 of the conference finals in a rematch against the Bulls and was out for the season. During the 1996-97 season, Anderson's free throw shooting percentage tumbled to a career-low 40.4% and his scoring average to 12.0 points per game. Anderson had to be removed from the closing minutes of several close games due to being undependable at the charity stripe.

His struggles worsened through the first half of the 1997-98 season. Through January 27 of that season, Anderson was averaging only 6.5 points per game, and shooting a paltry 36.3% from the free throw line.



The moment must live on after your death....its forever a part of who you are.

There are precious few non injury related plays that accomplish that.

Vc on Weis might be the only actual basketball play to accomplish it.

I will grant it the only





Ever....but ill have to check with my humbling council to make it official. This is the kind of nonsense my friends and I discuss drinking brown liquor....but the rules are fairly set. To get a 4....your career is ruined. To get a 5....you didnt make it. The standards must be kept high.

I wont have the Humbling ratings go the way of the basketball hall of fame where we let in 4 time all stars.
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:53 AM   #5
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Funny you mentioned Wade out of no where. A lot of people will remember the dunks and what not, but the play that stands out to me to this day, was this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q2xkr13lvY

The fact these plays happened back to back was just heaven as someone who disliked the Celtics so much. Probably my favourite NBA moment ever to be honest.
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I wont have the Humbling ratings go the way of the basketball hall of fame where we let in 4 time all stars.

understood but what is confusing is what do you consider a 5? if 4 is career altering as well as defining it would stand to assume that was it. that has to be the biggest and ultimate thing. what comes after? death? is that what a 5 is?
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Kemp has the best case against him but I do love me some Shaq.
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I see much more forcibly enforced humility in smaller dudes DESTROYING 7fters. It's expected for a 7ft monster (especially shaq) to bully people, so where is the humility, especially against pros? IMO young jordan/vince carter/young kobe inflicted much more pain as they destroyed 7fters and their confidence.

Also, I consider the following gif much more humility enforcing than anything in shaq's career, especially since shaq started bitching like a little girl:

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Kobe on Dwight?
The LaPhonso Ellis block? You know the one
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To me a 4 Sheik humbling has to be career altering....
Isnt what Jordan did to a couple of guys? He did mentally humiliated them though to destroy their careers, instead of physically bullying a la Shaq.
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Iverson could humble any player during the isolation era. His lack of size ironically humbled players too.

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Why do people post that lame iverson/MJ clip? He took a swipe at the ball and still was able to contest. He didn't slip, stumble or get spun around. You might see something like this happen in every single game if you looked for it.
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Iverson on Lue surely? Stepped over him for extra Sheikhs
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