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Old 06-25-2006, 12:34 AM   #1
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Default The Utah Jazz and White People

According to http://www.villagevoice.com/news/000...o,12566,3.html white people make up 21% of the NBA, which is an average of 2.5 white people per team. Before I go any further, let's take a look at the Utah Jazz rosters over the past 10 years.

2005: Okur+Kirilenko+Harpring+Giricek+Ostertag+Humphries = 6
2004: Harpring+Giricek+Kirilenko+Borchardt+Humphries+Lop ez+Handlogten = 7
2003: Kirilenko+Lopez+Ostertag+Harpring+Pavlovic+Giricek +Gugliotta+Handlogten = 8
2002: Harpring+Kirilenko+Stockton+Padgett+Ostertag = 5
2001: Stockton+Kirilenko+Padgett+Crotty+Ostertag+LaRue = 6
2000: Stockton+Ostertag+Crotty+Padgett = 4
1999: Stockton+Hornacek+Ostertag+Keefe+Padgett+Chilcutt = 6
1998: Hornacek+Stockton+Ostertag+Keefe+Fuller+Foster = 6
1997: Hornacek+Stockton+Keefe+Foster+Ostertag = 5

Over the past 10 years, the Jazz only once had a roster that didn't contain double the league's average of white people. At what point are we allowed to point fingers and say that this is intentional? After all, Salt Lake City is 93% white, and more than 70% of those whites are Mormon - a religion that has historically believed that black people did not choose sides between Jesus and Satan in the beginning of time (in 1978, the Mormon church decided to allow blacks to join, but they have never officially rescinded the claim that they are cursed).

Do you think there will ever come a time when Utah's roster will include a demographic makeup that is more in line with the league average? In a situation as unique as a basketball roster, how big a sample size is needed before it's no longer a coincidence? Is my 10 years enough, or must we go back further?
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Utah is becoming a very diverse state because of the missions of the Morman Church.

There are a lot of people from across the world that live there now.
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Utah is becoming a very diverse state because of the missions of the Morman Church.

There are a lot of people from across the world that live there now.
Get out of here with your pro-mormon BS. It's 95% white according to utah.gov.
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Old 06-25-2006, 12:56 AM   #4
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White people = less ego and attitude to deal with.


Really?

Larry Bird, the Great White Hope, had a bit of an ego and attitude problem, as I recall.

Don't stereotype...it only serves to make you look intellectually inferior.
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In 2003 they had 8 white players.

That can't be a coincidence.
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Old 06-25-2006, 12:58 AM   #6
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All people of Earth have Ego & attitude...

White people are just very quiet and secretive about theirs.

I feel you, they purposely do it to sell tickets.

It's way obvious.

People think Mehmet Okur is white out there...
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(in 1978, the Mormon church decided to allow blacks to join, but they have never officially rescinded the claim that they are cursed).

Get cho facts straight, sucka! Blacks were allowed to join. Freed slaves joined the Mormon religion. They weren't allowed to hold the Priesthood until 1978.

A very key difference!

Also, if I recall, the "curse was lifted" but the belief that a curse existed at one point is still believed.


Oh, and as for the topic at hand.. haven't Jazz actually drafted more black players than white players? I recall a discussion about this a long time ago.

http://www.databasebasketball.com/dr...tm?tm=UTA&lg=N

I also think Utah was voted by players to be the place they'd least like to play at.

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Not counting the out of status Hispanics and other out of status aliens who are living in Utah.

The Governor of Utah recently had a good meeting with Vincente Fox.
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Whatever, 1978 was the year that they stopped talking openly about blacks being cursed, though they have never officially taken it back. Point is, Utah is more racist than your average state.
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It is true Mormons believe the blood of Kane/Abel (which one?)...

...is cursed.

That is likely due to a few racists being in the building, when they cooked up the whole faith a few hundred years back.

I know this for a fact. I dated a Mormon girl in HS, when she was rebelling like a MF!!!
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Lol, I knew there was something different about that team... Just could'nt pinpoint it.
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Whatever, 1978 was the year that they stopped talking openly about blacks being cursed, though they have never officially taken it back. Point is, Utah is more racist than your average state.


"I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ," said President Hinckley. "How can any man holding the Melchizedek Priesthood arrogantly assume that he is eligible for the priesthood whereas another who lives a righteous life but whose skin is of a different color, is ineligible?" - President of the LDS Church


But, it's pointless to argue about it. I don't care enough, really. Fact is, blacks can hold the priesthood now.
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I think we're on the same page. Blacks can hold priesthood, but the belief in a curse was never explained away, or taken back, or ever mentioned again. There are probably some who still believe it over there, and it's one way to help explain why Utah always has 2x the league average of white people on their roster. How else can we explain it?
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1. The NBA has then had a good effect on Utah because the state has been exposed to blacks.

2. There are a lot of hot chicks that live in Salt Lake City. Go there and you will know what I am talking about.

3. I could never be a Morman because they have a ban on caffeine. That means no coffee, tea, Coke, Mr. Pibb, or Dr. Pepper - **** that.
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According to http://www.villagevoice.com/news/000...o,12566,3.html white people make up 21% of the NBA, which is an average of 2.5 white people per team. Before I go any further, let's take a look at the Utah Jazz rosters over the past 10 years.

2005: Okur+Kirilenko+Harpring+Giricek+Ostertag+Humphries = 6
2004: Harpring+Giricek+Kirilenko+Borchardt+Humphries+Lop ez+Handlogten = 7
2003: Kirilenko+Lopez+Ostertag+Harpring+Pavlovic+Giricek +Gugliotta+Handlogten = 8
2002: Harpring+Kirilenko+Stockton+Padgett+Ostertag = 5
2001: Stockton+Kirilenko+Padgett+Crotty+Ostertag+LaRue = 6
2000: Stockton+Ostertag+Crotty+Padgett = 4
1999: Stockton+Hornacek+Ostertag+Keefe+Padgett+Chilcutt = 6
1998: Hornacek+Stockton+Ostertag+Keefe+Fuller+Foster = 6
1997: Hornacek+Stockton+Keefe+Foster+Ostertag = 5

Over the past 10 years, the Jazz only once had a roster that didn't contain double the league's average of white people. At what point are we allowed to point fingers and say that this is intentional? After all, Salt Lake City is 93% white, and more than 70% of those whites are Mormon - a religion that has historically believed that black people did not choose sides between Jesus and Satan in the beginning of time (in 1978, the Mormon church decided to allow blacks to join, but they have never officially rescinded the claim that they are cursed).

Do you think there will ever come a time when Utah's roster will include a demographic makeup that is more in line with the league average? In a situation as unique as a basketball roster, how big a sample size is needed before it's no longer a coincidence? Is my 10 years enough, or must we go back further?

You forgot Karl Malone.
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