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Old 05-07-2007, 10:21 PM   #46
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What would make you think that?

UFC fighters already train boxing......

UFC fighters are HORRIBLE boxers. Anyone who has watched or participated in both sports can see that. They RARELY get any leverage behind their punches and are often off balance and swinging in looping patterns. They train in boxing, but they train in multiple areas, leaving them perhaps, good in one, but deficient in others.

I can say that any MMA fighter, using boxing rules, and fighting a great boxer would LOSE horribly, and vice versa.

Floyd CANNOT fight MMA. He might land one good punch (and he doesn't even have power as far as a boxer), but once its on the ground he'd lose in 3 seconds (literally).

Any heavyweight MMA fighters would lose to either De La Hoya or Mayweather by stoppage.

The rules and styles are so different, it is even hard to (or not worth my time) to explain.
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:22 PM   #47
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They train in boxing, but they train in multiple areas, leaving them perhaps, good in one, but deficient in others.
You're reading too much into my statement.

By my math, some boxing training > 0 MMA training. That was my point.
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:33 PM   #48
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UFC fighters are HORRIBLE boxers. Anyone who has watched or participated in both sports can see that. They RARELY get any leverage behind their punches and are often off balance and swinging in looping patterns. They train in boxing, but they train in multiple areas, leaving them perhaps, good in one, but deficient in others.

Marcus Davis was a 16-1 boxer before moving to MMA, and was ranked for his weight class as the #1 fighter in New England. Not huge credentials but he was a fairly good boxer.

I agree most MMA guys are pretty poor boxers, but this isn't boxing, boxing footwork/defense don't work very well in MMA. You can get taken down without a square stance, gloves are much smaller so covering up much harder, and ducking/bending will get you a headkick or knee to the face if you do it enough.

Guys like Chuck Liddell, Cro Cop, Mark Hunt. Takanori Gomi, and Anderson Silva don't have good traditional boxing technique but they get a ton of leverage & put all their body weight in their punches with good technique, have good footwork, and better chins. They would all make decent boxers, and some of them are extremely accomplished kickboxers.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:01 AM   #49
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as much as I hate the guy...Mayweather will just kill that guy...usually the better boxers win in MMA...Chuck liddel is one that comes to mind..Fedor is probably one of the best boxers and is almost unbeatable
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Fedor is probably one of the best boxers and is almost unbeatable


What?

Fedor the boxer?

Try again.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:05 AM   #51
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What?

Fedor the boxer?

Try again.
Fedor has good boxing skills...maybe you misunderstood
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:15 AM   #52
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Fedor has good boxing skills...maybe you misunderstood
I'd say he has decent hands. He does hit hard, but he isn't the greatest boxer. Even for MMA.

His ground game is his strong suit. By far.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:27 AM   #53
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Butter Bean challenged Shaq to a boxing match. Look at how meaningful that turned out to be.
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Old 05-08-2007, 12:28 AM   #54
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Butter Bean challenged Shaq to a boxing match. Look at how meaningful that turned out to be.
Okay, buddy.
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Old 05-08-2007, 01:37 AM   #55
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Isn't Dana White supposed to fight Tito Ortiz in a boxing match? Did that happen already?

Can a MMA fan explain to me who Sean Sherk is and what is his style of fighting?
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Isn't Dana White supposed to fight Tito Ortiz in a boxing match? Did that happen already?

Can a MMA fan explain to me who Sean Sherk is and what is his style of fighting?

Tito backed out of the fight over contract disputes.

Sean Sherk comes from a wrestling background. He is strong as an ox, very explosive wrestling shot, and has pretty good ground-and-pound with a nice combination of elbows and fists. His ground control is excellent and he very rarely gets reversed or allows his opponent to get back up. His boxing is very technical, very clean, he outstruck Nick Diaz easily and hung well with a much larger Georges Saint-Pierre, but he lacks any real power in his hands. He is also well versed in submissions and has never come very close to being caught in one.
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Mayweather is a brilliant boxer, but it would be funny to see his confidence disappear very quickly in an MMA fight. He could dance around all he wanted but eventually he get struck with a punch or a kick that would cause him real pain unlike anything he's ever felt in the boxing ring. Once he was hurt, I imagine he'd fade pretty quickly.
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Old 05-08-2007, 10:56 AM   #58
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Mayweather is a brilliant boxer, but it would be funny to see his confidence disappear very quickly in an MMA fight. He could dance around all he wanted but eventually he get struck with a punch or a kick that would cause him real pain unlike anything he's ever felt in the boxing ring. Once he was hurt, I imagine he'd fade pretty quickly.

Yes Floyd would fade very quickly in an MMA match. He would be going in the Cage with someone who has trained in MMA for maybe 10 years + but how long would Floyd of trained, 2/3 months? Sherk gets in a boxing ring and it would be the other way around period!

There is only one MMA fighter that could posibly switch to boxing and thats

http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=352247
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Old 05-09-2007, 01:45 PM   #59
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I found an interesting article on the matter......

From foxsports.com.

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Floyd Mayweather apparently got one look at Ultimate Fighting Championship lightweight titlist Sean Sherk and decided he wanted nothing to do with mixed martial arts.

The newly crowned WBC 154.-lb champion talked a lot of smack about MMA leading up to his fight with Oscar De La Hoya.

But UFC president Dana White, Zuffa LLC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta, and Sherk, the UFC's 155-lb. champ, showed up at the MGM Grand looking to give Mayweather the chance to put his money where his mouth was.

And the Pretty Boy changed his tune. According to the Web site FightNews.com, Mayweather, using former Nevada State Athletic Commission chairman and current UFC employee Marc Ratner as an intermediary, signaled he wanted to make peace with the UFC.

"I apologize to the UFC, sometimes we say things that we shouldn't have said and I'm man enough to admit that," said Mayweather. "I apologize to the Fertittas, Lorenzo and Dana White. I respect MMA fighters and what they do in the UFC. I have no plans of fighting in mixed martial arts."

While Mayweather left the MGM Grand a winner last week, it appears the sport of mixed martial arts was the biggest beneficiary of last week's hype.

The bulk of the coverage leading up to the Mayweather-DeLaHoya fight prominently mentioned MMA's encroachment on the boxing market.

True, some of the coverage was lowlighted by tired clichés from the usual suspects, but the joke is on them. It became painfully clear last week there are basically three types of MMA bashers left: 1. Old-school boxing types, who are understandably protective of their favorite sport; 2. Journalists who are completely out to lunch on the topic; 3. Attention seekers in various media platforms who are simply out to get a reaction.

There has been a shift in sports fan opinion on combat sports. The average fan now understands that top-notch MMA fighters have athletic credentials that match those of the top athletes in any sport, even if some in the media still don't get it.

Saturday night's fight card was a case study in why MMA is succeeding where boxing isn't.

The main event was a good, but not great, technical fight. But the real telling aspect was in the second fight from top. A pair of featherweights that your average sports fan couldn't name to save their lives, Rocky Juarez and Jose Hernandez, slow danced for 12 rounds before Juarez took the decision.

Half the crowd at the MGM Grand hadn't arrived yet. The half that was there never at any point indicated they had the slightest interest in the match. HBO signaled its disinterest in its own second-billed attraction by running a long, rambling interview with Larry Merchant and Floyd Mayweather Sr. during the fight.

Viewers paid $54.95 for that?

Contrast the Juarez-Hernandez scene to UFC 68 in Columbus on March 3, where all 19,000 fans at Nationwide Arena were in their seats in time for the opening, non-televised preliminary fight, and stayed with the action for four hours, through all nine matches. Or UFC 65 at Arco Arena in Sacramento last November, where the sellout crowd of more than 15,000 popped for the transitional ground work as much as the KO kicks.

The question that remains unanswered: What would happen if Mayweather did tangle with Sherk?

No one is questioning what would happen if they met in a boxing ring under boxing rules. Sherk's background is amateur wrestling. Even the most complete MMA fighter isn't spending any more than 25 percent of his time on his boxing game.

Under MMA rules? Well, for one thing, Mayweather's track-meet style wouldn’t win him points in the UFC. Among MMA scoring criteria, judges are supposed to base their decisions on aggression and octagon control. For another, there is the sheer difference between a ring and a cage. There are no rope breaks to be had in MMA. If you get cornered and taken down, you have to fight your way out. That's not Mayweather's style.

There have already been a couple glimpses at what would be considered boxer vs. martial arts style fighting, and neither made boxing look good.

One occurred all the way back at UFC 1 in 1993. Art Jimmerson was a light heavyweight with a solid record of 29-5 when he squared off against Royce Gracie. Gracie needed all of 2:11 to pick Jimmerson apart. From that point on, Jimmerson went 4-13 in his boxing career. Word got around boxing quick to stay away from UFC.

OK, maybe Jimmerson isn't a big enough name to impress you. How about Muhammud Ali, then?

Back in 1976, Ali took on wrestler Antonio Inoki in Tokyo. They went 15 rounds before the fight was ruled a draw. Inoki spent most of the fight on his back in a basic jiu-jitsu defensive posture and repeatedly kicked at Ali's legs. Ali's punching was useless, as he threw just six punches the entire fight.

It was a dreadfully boring exhibition by all accounts. But no less an authority than Thomas Hauser reported in his definitive biography Ali that Inoki did so much damage to Ali's legs, that Ali had to be hospitalized with blood clots and extensive muscle disrepair. Promoter Bob Arum went on to speculate the beating helped speed up Ali's in-ring decline.

So there you have it. Three decades before MMA stole boxing's thunder and 17 years before Gracie burst onto the scene, the greatest boxer of all-time could do nothing against a professional wrestler who used defensive martial arts tactics that were primitive by the standards of today's MMA.

Maybe Mayweather knew what he was doing, backing off from his trash talk against UFC.
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